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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-03 07:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #2617 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

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elephantinegrace: (Default)

And water is wet

[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2014-03-04 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm completely not surprised that the majority of fans talk (for lack of better word) about male characters far, far more than female characters, for the simple fact that female characters tend to be tropes and male characters tend to actually be characters. Three cheers for sexism!

What I'm trying to say, OP, is that you've got the right idea, but the sexism is mostly on the other side of the creative work.

Let's play a game called "how many people are going to tell me to make my own fleshed-out female characters if I'm so unsatisfied with the ones I see" today.
Edited 2014-03-04 01:23 (UTC)
nightscale: Starbolt (Mass Efffect: Garrus)

Re: And water is wet

[personal profile] nightscale 2014-03-04 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Clearly you should get off your lazy ass, get into Hollywood and make those changes happen!(never-mind that you would have a constant battle with higher-ups, oh and that Hollywood is still very much a boy's club).
sarillia: (Default)

Re: And water is wet

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-03-04 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh I love that game! :p

Honestly at this point it just makes me laugh. And then I go back to the female characters that I am writing but that haven't magically solved sexism in the media.

Re: And water is wet

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
I have those female characters, my original fic is filled with them. But what are the chances of not only getting them published, but popular enough to make an impact?

What also doesn't help are the harshly critical Mary Sue standards that each female character has to measured by. Often set by other women. Women are too harsh and critical against each other and against themselves- it's society's trick of getting women to police each other. Notice that the guys don't have this problem?
meishuu: (Default)

Re: And water is wet

[personal profile] meishuu 2014-03-04 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Well, obviously you need to stop whining and make your own movies/books/video games!


/sarcasm

Re: And water is wet

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
"female characters tend to be tropes."

Exactly. I'm not going to like them if there's nothing to like. They need to capture my imagination in some way. And a character who is nothing but a trope is dead weight, especially in a comedy.

Ironically, I suspect that many male writers of movies/shows believe that female viewers DO want romcom stereotypes and certain types of "stock" chracters, so that is what they give us.

Re: And water is wet

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
for the simple fact that female characters tend to be tropes and male characters tend to actually be characters.

What overgeneralizing, sexist bullshit. At least half of my favorite characters across the board are female and they're every bit as fleshed out as their male counterparts. If all you see when looking at female charcters are tropes while all male characters are real characters to you, your own biases are showing.

Re: And water is wet

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
elephantinegrace: (Default)

Re: And water is wet

[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2014-03-04 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
tend to be

Reading comprehension, Oedipus. Do you have it?

Re: And water is wet

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you actually going to sit there and pretend that female characters are AS FREQUENTLY fleshed out as male characters? Like, obviously, not all female characters are poorly written, but a very depressingly large number of them are. Add that to the disparity in flat out numbers between male and female characters, you can run into problems.