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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-03 07:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #2617 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

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inevitableentresol: a Victorian gentleman with the body of a carrot (Default)

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-04 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I genuinely don't understand this comment.

Most people depicted in media are presupposed as straight. Yet slashing is huge in fandom. How is that different to monogamy/OT3s?

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-03-04 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
You should probably read the rest of my comments because I've answered this like twice now.
inevitableentresol: a Victorian gentleman with the body of a carrot (Default)

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-05 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Came back to apologise for the above. It was the last reply I made before going to bed and afterwards I thought it might have sounded a little snippy.
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-03-04 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
I HAVE read the rest of your comments and I have to ask: do you ship mostly/all het pairings or canon pairings? Not trying to be passive aggressive, here, just genuinely curious and confused in equal measures - the idea that "I don't/can't ship this because of canon thus far" is a little strange to me, given that most of fandom and fandom shipping is in 'defiance' of canon, already.

And in a sense, polyamory doesn't even have to go in defiance of canon. Given our culture, most polyamorists in the real world probably started out with a similar strong stance towards monogamy, but then warmed up to the idea of polyamory over time. Most of the polyamorous fic I've read (that isn't just 'slice of life' type things) involve at least one character being in a similar situation, of preferring monogamy and needing to warm up to the idea of polyamory.

So while I can understand a simple preference for pairings over OT3s or moresomes, I can't really wrap my mind around why a prestated stance on monogamy would be relevant when you are reading or writing fanfic that, most often, already goes against canon in some capacity anyway.

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-03-04 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Nope, I think of all my ships maybe ...2-5% is hetero? I the rest is all about the gay (and lesbian), which a lot of the media I consume does support...just not in an OT3 kind of way. It probably helps to know that most of my ships come from video games, where the mechanics sometimes literally work like "you are now courting x character, because of this y character is mad at you and you are no longer dating".

I'm not sure my sample size is very large, but for most of the poly friends I have I'd have to disagree with the "warming up to it" idea. They've all been very outside the box kind of people since high school with strong opinions about how marriage and relationships and love should work... but I guess that's an impression subject to my own biases, and it need not necessarily work that way.

Also relevant to this discussion is that I don't tend to ship something unless there's a level of interaction in canon that's highly suggestive or outright stated. A lot of my ships are actually canon ships, especially when it comes to heterosexual pairings.
caecilia: (my capitolsona)

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] caecilia 2014-03-04 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
unless there's a level of interaction in canon that's highly suggestive or outright stated.

okay i see this is where the misunderstanding is happening because "highly suggestive" is highly subjective

I would elaborate on this but I am WWASTED and just wanted to make that...well it's not a pun exactly but? i just wanted to say that thing

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-03-04 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
That's very true, for a lot of things. For some other things, maybe not so much? I want to say the best example of this is when it's a video game that just completely ignores the question of sexuality or relationships in favor of SHOOT THINGS SHOOT THEM NOW. When absolutely no mention is made of wives, girlfriends, boyfriends, multiples, etc. that's when I take suggestive interaction into account.

Yeaah girl get yo drank on!
nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-03-04 08:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm working from pretty much the same sample size of my own poly friends, most of whom at least as kids, if not well into teenagerhood and early adult-hood, started out leaning towards monogamy mostly because that's how they'd been raised. (Ironically, I'm somewhat poly myself, and I'd always been raised out of the box - but that's due to my father, who definitely had to warm up to it).

And perhaps the fact I'm looking at this from primarily book-and-movie fandoms is why I'm not entirely getting your viewpoint. If you're working from video games, though, it makes a bit more sense why you might end up shipping all pairs by chance (though not the preference) - if your romances are pre-set by game mechanics, then yeah, I can see how there's not much wiggle room to expand to include a third person. Additionally, almost none of my ships are canon, and really most of the popular ships I'm familiar with are not only not canon, but often between characters who either have never met or only barely met in canon, hence my confusion about why canon-stated preferences or interaction matter in shipping.

Re: Based on #2

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2014-03-04 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm looking at this from primarily book-and-movie

Oh man I would probably have more book ships if school hadn't totally destroyed my will to read for pleasure for like ten years. Thanks for reminding me how sad I am about that.

Really despite my own shipping style, I really don't mind what other people ship. If someone ships because they wanna make two hot bodies hump each other, that's totally fine lol.