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Not sure what you're calling an OT3 here... Not to impugn polyamorous people, but I'm not sure the concept of an OT3 works with the majority of the characters we see depicted in media, just because there almost always seems to be some established concept of monogamy.

I'm also not really down with calling something an OT3 when it's just a love triangle though (as opposed to a triad), so based on that definition I don't really have anything.

I mean, there's also an established concept of monogamy in most places irl, and people are still polyamorous. Why shouldn't this hold true for fiction?

There's no reason they shouldn't, hence why I couched my statement with the monogamy thing. To elucidate, in most of the stuff I watch/read/play the characters express viewpoints that are in line with the idea of monogamy in relationships, either implicitly or explicitly.

There are a couple of examples of series which never mention any kind of sexual relationships ever which could work, but there aren't many, and then the personalities of the characters I could ship in an OT3 usually don't lend themselves to it.

This saddens me actually, because I do like the idea of polyamorous ships but it seems that they are few and far between in things I enjoy.

I do have a lot of ships that I feel are "open" relationships though.

That's not the definition. It's just "what three people do you ship together in a threesome." A lot of them aren't canonically romantically involved in any direction.

The "OT" part of "OT3" is mostly just convention from OTP, it doesn't really mean "one true threesome."

Fandom doesn't work like that. Definitions change all the time. Perfect example: some people define shipping as a preference for a non-canonical pairing, others use it to mean any pairing they like regardless of whether it's canon or not.

The first definition of OT3 I saw was in line with the one I posted, and it's the one I'm sticking to.

This is a really weird comment and I don't even think I'm sure about what exactly you're trying to say. If you personally don't like OT3s (which are usually considered different than 'love triangles, though can also contain love triangles), then why even comment?

And if you're not okay with calling a love triangle an OT3 then don't.

I personally like the idea of polyamorous ships and was expressing disappointment that I don't see more of it. Seemed like the appropriate thread to do it in.

Well, sure there may be a concept of monogamy in the media but when has that ever mattered to fandom? I like Sherlock/John but I don't think it will ever be canon.

And nah, love triangles don't count (imo).

I may have not been articulate enough in my first post there. Oops.

I'mma just copy and paste my reply to vethica:

There's no reason they shouldn't, hence why I couched my statement with the monogamy thing. To elucidate, in most of the stuff I watch/read/play the characters express viewpoints that are in line with the idea of monogamy in relationships, either implicitly or explicitly.

There are a couple of examples of series which never mention any kind of sexual relationships ever which could work, but there aren't many, and then the personalities of the characters I could ship in an OT3 usually don't lend themselves to it.

This saddens me actually, because I do like the idea of polyamorous ships but it seems that they are few and far between in things I enjoy.

I do have a lot of ships that I feel are "open" relationships though.

Yessss. Love triangles don't count and I knew there was a reason I liked you. :3

Ah. Let me say what I think you are saying just so I am sure.

You don't have any OT3s because the characters you like have expressed that they desire to be in monogamous relationships (or that is the norm in the media at least).

And yeah, not a big fan of love triangles at all.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. Maybe that's a problem with the type of media I like and a clue that I should be branching out, but it's honestly pretty disheartening. "Get married and live happily ever" after is just pretty boring to write about.

with an otp you are taking 2 characters and basically smushing their faces together like barbie dolls

an ot3 is the same thing but with three

take three dolls and smush their heads together, it works

I don't really give a fuck about realism I just like making them kiss and have feelings.

I don't really give a fuck about realism I just like making them kiss and have feelings.

giant +1 to that

Well, when I'm writing I really do give all the fucks about realism. It's a problem, I know.

But now I'm probably going to ship Barbie, Black Barbie, and Asian Barbie for the rest of time, so YOU WIN THIS ROUND NURSE.

Eh, when it's just fanfic my priorities are feelings, and I care more about it being in character than...idk...the statistical probability that they'd be okay with polyamory?

Very good, but before you make your debut in the fandom with a statistically accurate fic on which you consulted with several experts, you should know there are multiple "Black Barbies" and "Asian Barbies" and they have names.

T-they do? ....Well shit, I guess now I have to go play Barbie's horse adventure and watch fairy Barbie movie and whatever other Barbie things there are. This is all your fault.

I feel no remorse.

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herpymcderp - 2014-03-04 02:40 (UTC) - Expand

I genuinely don't understand this comment.

Most people depicted in media are presupposed as straight. Yet slashing is huge in fandom. How is that different to monogamy/OT3s?

You should probably read the rest of my comments because I've answered this like twice now.

Sure.

Came back to apologise for the above. It was the last reply I made before going to bed and afterwards I thought it might have sounded a little snippy.

I HAVE read the rest of your comments and I have to ask: do you ship mostly/all het pairings or canon pairings? Not trying to be passive aggressive, here, just genuinely curious and confused in equal measures - the idea that "I don't/can't ship this because of canon thus far" is a little strange to me, given that most of fandom and fandom shipping is in 'defiance' of canon, already.

And in a sense, polyamory doesn't even have to go in defiance of canon. Given our culture, most polyamorists in the real world probably started out with a similar strong stance towards monogamy, but then warmed up to the idea of polyamory over time. Most of the polyamorous fic I've read (that isn't just 'slice of life' type things) involve at least one character being in a similar situation, of preferring monogamy and needing to warm up to the idea of polyamory.

So while I can understand a simple preference for pairings over OT3s or moresomes, I can't really wrap my mind around why a prestated stance on monogamy would be relevant when you are reading or writing fanfic that, most often, already goes against canon in some capacity anyway.

Nope, I think of all my ships maybe ...2-5% is hetero? I the rest is all about the gay (and lesbian), which a lot of the media I consume does support...just not in an OT3 kind of way. It probably helps to know that most of my ships come from video games, where the mechanics sometimes literally work like "you are now courting x character, because of this y character is mad at you and you are no longer dating".

I'm not sure my sample size is very large, but for most of the poly friends I have I'd have to disagree with the "warming up to it" idea. They've all been very outside the box kind of people since high school with strong opinions about how marriage and relationships and love should work... but I guess that's an impression subject to my own biases, and it need not necessarily work that way.

Also relevant to this discussion is that I don't tend to ship something unless there's a level of interaction in canon that's highly suggestive or outright stated. A lot of my ships are actually canon ships, especially when it comes to heterosexual pairings.

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herpymcderp - 2014-03-04 23:23 (UTC) - Expand

What I count as a "threesome" in fanfic is a relationship that includes three people, which each of the three involved more or less evenly with both of the other two.

If you are saying most characters are shown as too monogamous to fit into such a relationship, well I view that as the same argument as "Canon has never shown them showing interest in their own gender so they are straight by default!", or the other related argument of "Portraying [Character] as gay is OOC!".

Portraying any given character as being willing to be part of a threesome is no more OOC than portraying them as gay in fic. It may vary slightly off canon, but as long as the rest of their personality remains reasonably like canon, it can be acceptable.

I also do not like calling a triangle an "OT3". I define a "threesome" as an even threeway relationship, where any given member is in love with both of the others, and there's no fighting between two over the third (except maybe incidental "Who tops tonight?" discussions).

It's a problem I have, you see. A pretty good example is how I just couldn't get into shipping when I first started watching Supernatural - back when season 2 was airing - since the most popular ship back then was some combination of Wincest and Dean was Just. Too. Straight. (In my mind, anyhow.)

I don't mind if other people have a different interpretation of that, but based on evidence I just couldn't see the brothers banging. And at that point in the show there wasn't really anyone else to ship them with except uh... maybe their parents or random monsters?

I do better with games in general because there's a good chunk of games that just leave it completely ambiguous (usually because they're designed for teenage boys and designers figure they don't want any mention of wives or families in their white saviour fantasy).

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