[ SECRET POST #2618 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2618 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Whereas I would love the opportunity to toss off a short story or two for $10-$20 depending on length for someone who wants a particular story told, and be able to get decent toilet paper and tissues instead of thin, scratchy ones.

Fanartists can. Fanwriters can't. And it sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

I still hate what they did to him, turning him into a total asshole. Why couldn't he have been the voice of reason that they turned Tauriel into?


Because he was kind of an asshole at the beginning of LOTR?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Not half as bad as in DoS.

[(Anonymous)]

Then write original fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

But that's not what the person was saying at all.

[(Anonymous)]

*Original* creations by people who expected to get paid for their writing. Which is the point of the person you're responding to. They created something that you don't have a right to profit from.

If you want to profit from your writing, create your own original work.

[(Anonymous)]

Plenty of people make a living publishing these days. I started self-publishing through Kobo, B&N and KDP (Amazon) two years ago and I make between 2 and 5K per month with twelve books out. There are plenty of people who make more than me.

Go to the KBoards and look up people like JA Konrath, Hugh Howey, Elle Casey, HM Ward, Joe Nobody and Russell Blake. Their posts are invaluable and will tell you what you need to know. (There are plenty of other informative posters over there too.)

If you're good and put out a professional product, you'll make decent money.

[lex_antonia]

Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you people that you pretend there's no middle ground? To say, correctly, that women have it harder doesn't mean that 'men totes have no problemz eva, right' or whatever hyperbole kids use these days.

Likewise, there's a middle ground between thinking JL is a perfect angelic being sent from heaven to liberate Hollywood from misogyny, and thinking she deserves every sexist slur you can think of thrown in her face.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that saying "Some statements come with institutional power behind them, others don't." doesn't somehow magically erase a problem.
Institutional power is only a single aspect and not the only factor in whether or not saying something shitty is harmful.
I have seen this way of reasoning a lot when it comes to female on male abuse/rape where it's used to derail the discussion into "but women still have it worse so male victims don't count". Maybe I'm just a bit too used to this way of arguing so I overreacted. But it seriously pisses me off.

Re: I had a thought:

[caecilia]

Because you were so kind in warning me about the drop bear thing I will tell you something about snowmen and that is that they really do come to life if you sacrifice a magic hat to them.

(THANK YOU to all of you guys I love this and I bookmarked it)

[lex_antonia]

Except we aren't talking about rape, and assuming that I must have inferred something because someone else did that once in a completely different discussion ... adds precisely what to the debate?

Re: I had a thought:

[caecilia]

Omg no this is wonderful! Thank you for the book recs! When I look up Picnic at Hanging Rock all I can find is the movie so I guess I will watch that when I can get my hands on it!

true blue, fair dinkum, dinky di, cobber and ridgy didge.

This is so fucking cute but I have the feeling if I said it out loud I would summon some kind of Australian demon.

Schoolies sounds like our Spring Break, which I've never been to either, but yeah I was thinking of the gap year. People do that here too ("backpacking in Europe" is the cliche) but from what I've heard it's more common in Australia. And I think when people do it here they get reactions like "Ugh, she's not going to college?" You're pretty much expected to go to college right after high school, get a job, get a house and then you can go on your vacation. :\ I also would not have been able to afford it right after high school (can't now, either), but it would've been nice and probably given me some good life experience.

We probably wear thongs more in summer?

Sandals, right? Flip-flops? Not butt-showing bathing suits. Right? Right?

anyway ty this is great <3

Re: I had a thought:

[caecilia]

I see, I see. I am an East Coaster. I do not like baseball but I can follow conversations about it. When people start talking football is when I completely zone out.

Re: I had a thought:

[making_excuses]

I guess I should have read through it again before posting it here... I knew it was pretty accurate on the Norwegian thing, didn't even think about the American side of it...

Re: I had a thought:

[making_excuses]

Which is why it is an article about Scandinavian dating not American I would presume.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you buy that just so you could do commissions and thought "yes, I'm going to earn that money back solely by doing some shady copyright art" -- because if what you're drawing doesn't belong to you, it doesn't matter what it cost you to produce that piece of art. It's your choice to purchase expensive programs and supplies. And what you produce is technically not yours to sell. It's a different matter if you use your stuff to produce and sell original art, obviously!

[(Anonymous)]

Finally someone sensible!

Re: I had a thought:

[caecilia]

It's okay that you posted it! I'm not like offended or anything. It is a tiny bit grating when people assume they know everything about our culture because movies, but eh. eh. EH. I'm gonna go make some coffee.

Re: Life's Little Annoyances

[(Anonymous)]

My aunt told a story this weekend about how she did a neighborhood scavanger hunt for a wedding or something, one of the items on the list was "peacan," so she thought she was supposed to be looking for a "pea can" -- a can of peas. Turned out it was "pecan" misspelled because of the way it's pronounced in the place where the people she was visiting lived (and I totally forgot where that was).

[(Anonymous)]

I admit I write for fun and the thrill of maybe, maybe getting some kudos on AO3, that whole lame cheezy thing about making people happy, creating emotions, just through...words. It's like magic to me.

And just for the record, uh, I've had to buy tons of stuff for writing: starting with this laptop? My wifi? All these books on the writing craft? All those notebooks I've filled over the years with character sketches, mood pieces, story ideas. I'm not saying MORE than an artist but I have invested plenty of time and money into my 'craft'.

I don't blame artists for cashing in, honestly, why not? I sure would if I could. But I do sideeye the attitude they get about things like signups for bigbangs, where they seem APPALLED at the very idea that just once, just for a fun fandom exchange challenge that's entirely voluntary, they should do something without getting paid. I know at least two actually published professional writers in my fandom who still write fic 'for free'.

The other issue I have (wow I did not know I had so many feels) is how canon artists etc will often squee and support fan artists, but canon writers cannot ever even acknowledge fanfiction exists. It makes it seem that fic is somehow...dirty.

Re: Do you observe Lent? if so, what are you giving up this year?

[abharding]

Yes I do observe Lent in that I don't eat meat on Fridays - but I don't usually give up anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Enlighten me then with your wisdom.

[(Anonymous)]

A good chunk of published ~original~ fiction is, by and large, fanfic. It's historical fic about people who really existed, it's rewritings of literary classics or myths, sometimes it's just plain AU fanfic (like those Jane Austen horror AUs and stuff like that), but apparently those people making money with somebody else's work have a right to profit from that? So what's the "moral" difference between a published fanfic writer and a non-published one?

[(Anonymous)]

But that's for charity. Most of the time, if you're contributing to a charity fundraiser by purchasing something, you're not getting the same value as you would if you bought it outright in a for-profit venue. Which is fine, because the point is to donate, and you're just getting something nice in return, but most people aren't going to pay charity fundraiser prices to a for-profit venture.

[(Anonymous)]

People aren't talking about buying fanfic the way you'd by a book. They're talking about custom ordering the exact fic you want about the exact characters you want to read about.

Free-to-read fanfic would still exist. Hell, chances are you'd be able to read the fanfic other people comission, because people in fandom like to share their squee. You just wouldn't be able to comission your very own custom ordered fic without ponying up a few bucks.