[ SECRET POST #2622 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2622 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[vethica]

That's the freaking post that said Misty is sexualized in the show? Okay, I can't really take them seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think most of Ash's female companions and female player characters are overtly sexualized via camera angles and actions placed on them, but I feel like most of outfits are fairly skimpy for ten year olds when compared the male designs.

[vethica]

That's a fair point. I mean, we are talking about the franchise that took 6 damn generations to let us freaking play as a girl who wears pants. Still, I feel like calling it sexualization is... a stretch.

[(Anonymous)]

It also said the sexualization might have been cut from the American dub. I can believe that. When I watched Pokemon as a child/young teen, there were some scenes with Misty that definitely seemed like some dialog had been watered down to make it less sexual. I also got on the internet and found out that in the card game, there's a card where she's naked for no apparent reason (that was also never brought into the English version).

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty likely that was the case; 4kids made numerous edits and cuts to the series and outright banned some episodes.

This site's dedicated to the edits between the Japanese and American dubbed episodes, but currently the server's over capacity: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/

I'm sure once it's not capacity, you would be able to find some examples of what that tumblr poster was talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like the swimsuit competition episode, that eventually was dubbed, but edited much more heavily than normal. And the original Japanese theme song jokes about going under girls' skirts to find Pokemon. As a kid I was shocked and really uncomfortable at first when I learned that my favorite cartoon had had that in it.

[(Anonymous)]

Whoa, which theme song was this?

[(Anonymous)]

The very first one, which you can listen to here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbrbpqs11gw

And here's the lyrics translated: http://meikoanime.tripod.com/plyrics.html

[(Anonymous)]

First anon who mentioned the song here... and man all I can say is, I wasn't expecting to see the exact same translation of the song as the one I found as a kid in 1999! By now, the thing that bothers me most is the way it screams "I ran these lyrics word by word through a Japanese-English dictionary."

[vethica]

Okay, I'm pretty skeptical. <stereotypical nerd voice>I know a lot about Pokémon and dub censorship</stereotypical nerd voice>, including having read a large portion of Dogasu's Backpack, and I have never seen anything involving Misty that I would qualify as sexualization. There was the beach episode, but uh, the only person really sexualized in that one was James. If you can find me some examples of Misty being sexualized in the anime, I'll make cheese for you, but until then I remain disbelieving.

The card game isn't really relevant here, because it's almost entirely based on the games and not the show. However, while the card in question, Misty's Tears, did indeed show her naked, I would argue that it's about as un-sexual of nudity as possible, and is probably meant to represent purity more than anything else. Others may diagree.

[(Anonymous)]

Given that nudity = purity is a very common theme in Japanese works, yeah. That card looks like a perfect example of it to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know... She seems to really big breasts for a 10-year old in that pic. Wouldn't that count as sexualization?

[vethica]

That's a fair point, although I will say in its defense, if she is supposed to be game!Misty we don't really have a canon age there. Her design post-three-year timeskip looks older than 13 to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Were we ever given official ages for the game characters?

[(Anonymous)]

what? those are like a cups, maybe small b cups at most. those are not "big breasts" in the slightest.

[(Anonymous)]

Usually ten-year-plds don't have breasts at all. They might be developing some breast fat, but typically, it's not really even as visible as an a-cup.

[(Anonymous)]

Riiiight. She's naked to symbolize purity... and other female characters wear revealing clothes to symbolize that they're strong, sexually liberated women... nooooo ulterior motives or other ways to symbolize those things without showing skin :3 When they made that card they had no idea the boys they were targeting might see anything sexual about a naked girl

[(Anonymous)]

hate to break it to you, but not every country or culture sees nudity as being automatically sexual, and japan is one of those. for example, the anime/manga beelzebub is published in shounen jump and is aimed at adolescents, and one of the characters is a (male) demon baby who goes around completely naked. it's not considered shocking or inappropriate at all.

japan also has public baths, and it's not uncommon for families to bathe together when children are young. nudity just isn't a big deal to them the way it is in the us.

[(Anonymous)]

Was in the Japanese version, Misty was a girl who like to flaunt her 'sexiness'? Because that part of Misty was not translated over into the 4Kids dub.

Plus there was those comics by that one hentai artist dude where Misty is pretty much drawn in a male-gaze-y light.

[vethica]

She was not in any way.

Again, the comics aren't part of show continuity, but yeah, The Electric Tale of Pikachu was highly skeevy and gross with regard to every female character. But, not part of the show.