[ SECRET POST #2627 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2627 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Malcolm In The Middle, Everybody Loves Raymond, Home Improvement, Rescue Me, Prison Break]


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03.
[Michelle Kwan]


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04.
[Bear Nuts by Alison Acton]


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05.
[Supernatural]


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06.
[OP note: pic credit to Ksenia Nurtdinova]


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07.
[Seanan McGuire, Jonathan Ross and his wife Jane Goldman]


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08.
[Karen Gillian/Doctor Who]


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09.
[Mary Poppins (1964 movie)]


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10.
[El Goonish Shive]


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11.
[Noragami]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 015 secrets from Secret Submission Post #375.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dethtoll]

I have no idea who these people are but I agree. We're thought-policing now?

[(Anonymous)]

The OP of the secret is sort of glossing over the fact that all the reasons I heard for people being pissed about him were to do with the fact that he is frequently sexist and gross on his talk show.

[(Anonymous)]

In other words, the usual "me too!" bandwagon where a load of people who've never actually heard of the person on the receiving end to this week's dogpile take whatever they heard third-hand on tumblr as gospel and get stuck in. Jonathan Ross might not be to everyone's taste but it's a bit rich for the keyboard warriors to get their knickers in a knot about whether he might say something they deem offensive and then proceed to be extremely abusive to him in a kind of Minority Report punishment for crimes he might commit kind of way.

[(Anonymous)]

The sci-fi community as a whole has been pretty pejorative toward women, and people have taken special notice of this since last year. This guy with a particularly potent history of bigotry toward the opposite sex is just the most recent complaint in a long line of complaints about the community's general disregard for the female part.

So, it's not like this is coming from NOWHERE.

[(Anonymous)]

Particularly potent history of bigotry, you say? Oh, the humanity! Sounds like it's a slow day on Social Justice Hyperbole Island for you if Jonathan Ross is your "particularly potent" example of bigotry du jour.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You...actually seem as though *you're* the one with your "knickers in a twist," and are taking this personally. This comment is uninformative and unhelpful--you're just lashing out but you're not saying anything.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt very much if many of the cheerleaders in this little spat are remotely familiar with Jonathan Ross and his work beyond hearsay but as usual that's enough for the fanatics and idealogues to get the pitchforks out. I know who had done more to promote sci-fi to a wider audience and move away from the humourless, socially inept nerd stereotype to something more engaging and welcoming for the more casual fan who usually gets frozen out at these events which can be really very cliquish and hostile. I expect plenty of you like it that way.

[(Anonymous)]

You are such a fucking fangirl.

[(Anonymous)]

You're just being a dickhead. Take your ridiculous hateboner and go away.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what? I said he was just the latest in this stream of disregard coming from the sci-fi community for women. I did not say that he was the most egregious or worst example. I also didn't say that he hasn't done anything of note or good for the sci-fi community, but he might suck at empathy just a tad. Perhaps this little campaign got his attention, and maybe he'll be a little less of an asshole on his show from now on, so maybe this is a good thing.

Fact of the matter is, people didn't lash out for no reason. You need to stop acting like there's no context for this shit.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right. "Me too!" and taking secondhand sources as gospel for your outrage should only be used to arbitrarily pick out one person who actually had very little to do with the whole debacle and act like they were the brainchild and careful dragonmother...

[(Anonymous)]

Jonathan Ross is a skilled professional broadcaster with decades of experience who tailors his style to suit his audience. He's a good judge of his interviewees as well and knows who will find teasing and innuendo to be good fun and who won't. What he does on an adult-orientated talk show is very different from what he does when broadcasting and writing about comics and sci-fi. Don't mistake a persona for a person.

Seanan McGuire, instead of building straw men, canvassing for the hosting job and deciding who is worthy to be in her community or not, would do well to stop predicting the future and check her facts first - Jonathan Ross is married to a Hugo award-winner and has done sterling work in promoting sci-fi outside of the geek ghetto. Hardly an outsider.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, his PR agent found fandom secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

"geek ghetto"? Are you meaning to imply here that geeks and people who are into scifi and comics are living in disadvantaged positions within society? For liking GEEKY things?

Get off my planet.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but when you hire someone for this sort of work, you're not hiring their personal life, you're hiring their persona, and if that persona has a history of being skeevy to women, that's a problem.

[arcadiaego]

Can you provide examples? I honestly can't remember him being frequently sexist *or* gross, although I haven't watched his show since it moved to ITV.