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Comments

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

No, because I do not believe there is a god. If I believed there was a god I would be religious. Probably a Catholic as that's the profession in which I was raised. But I do not think that there is one. The idea of god makes perfect sense to me and I have a lot of respect for religion; I just don't think it's ultimately how the world is.

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

May I ask you how the idea of God makes sense to you? To me, the "I'm supposed to be so powerful and a good person yet I let the word be a shithole" thing is the biggest contradiction.

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's a difficult question. And it's also difficult to talk about because I'm not someone who does believe in a god so the question is kind of moot. So this has to come with a pretty massive caveat. That said: I think it has a lot to do with free will. It makes sense to me that in a world where human beings have free will, and in religious systems where human choice and action matters, you can have a lot of evil in the world and still have an all-powerful god. I can comprehend the idea of a god who is good and all-powerful but who still has constraints on what he can do, not because his power is limited but because of human beings.

Obviously that answer is pretty specific to Christian tradition - like I said, I was raised Catholic, and even though I'm an apostate, it's still my natural thought process when I think about religion. But that is how I tend to think about it.

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Free will as a thing is pretty specific to certain Christian traditions (including my own non-denominational one, I didn't know Catholics also believed it). It is my understanding that 99% of most Christian denominations take the "God alone decides who's going to Hell and who isn't, so suck it up sunshine." doctrine (Er. I may be paraphrasing.) My church certainly felt the opposite (that humans have free will, for exactly the same reasons you stated above), and we were pretty much pariahs for it, amongst the big standard denominations.

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man if talking about the problem of evil as a nonbeliever is going to be fraught with tension, talking about salvation is just going to be impossible.

However, I guess there are two things to say. One, about religion in general: I think the question of whether human beings have free will is a different one from the question of what leads people to be saved. So it's possible to believe in free will and also to believe that God plays the central role in salvation - and from my limited and currently external perspective, that seems to be kind of along the lines of what Catholics believe.

Second, free will is something that I think about a lot and that matters to me in general even from a secular, philosophical perspective, so in some sense it's not surprising that it's going to be a big deal in my response. I just tend to see a lot of things through that lens.

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

In my beliefs, free will is absolutely tied in to salvation, because everyone will get offered salvation, at some point (either in this life or the next), and everyone will/does have the free will to accept or reject it when they are offered. Though I think that is a departure from Catholic doctrines....There is also no "Hell" or fire-and-brimstone stuff in my beliefs, either, so if someone rejects salvation, it's just game over no restart, because it would be a cruel thing to leave someone alive for eternity if they're unhappy, and the book says God is a just and merciful, loving God, etc. etc.

That's what I believe, anyway. There were a lot of other groups that pretty vehemently disagreed with my church on this.....

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think of him as a "good person". I think of him as someone who thought, "I am all powerful so I am going to create this world. Okay, now let's step back and see how it goes."

Re: Religion

[(Anonymous)]

It's worth pointing out that this is an answer that (although perfectly valid in itself) is kind of incompatible with most mainstream Christian orthodoxy. I mean, even on the most basic level, the idea of Christ as the son of God sent to redeem the sins of the world is incompatible with the idea of a watchmaker god.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Ah. I am not Christian. I am a like 20% agnostic 80% theist.