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[Game of Thrones]

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[Patrick Stump / Fall Out Boy]

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[Men in Black, Agent Coulson]

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[Twin Peaks]

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[Defenders of Berk/How To Train Your Dragon 2]

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[Lily Allen]

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[Panic! at the Disco]

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[Frozen]

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I'm still not fond of Aang and Katara. I don't mind them getting together later but a 12 year old and a 14 year old is creepy to me. I just start thinking of what middle school was like, the 6th graders and the 8th graders and it's kind of uncomfortable.

I really wish that they'd just played off Aang's feelings as a crush. Becsuse that's all it really felt like to me. A crush. Not something that would end up with the two of them getting married or ending up in an sort of significant romantic relationship.

It did feel very much like the crush the boy I used to babysit had on me. I was sort of going along with it as the start of a real relationship better by the end of the third season but it was hard to get past that impression.

It was inevitible, sadly. Can't have the two of them just remain friends and have Aang grow out out of it. It would have made for some nice character development.

Tbh, I had no dog in the race regarding the shipwars with Katara, I would have prefered her to not end up with anybody.

If it helps, the culture in western middle schools is...unique and quite different from ATLA. And Aang was forced to grow up awfully fast.

(I wish Zuko/Katara had happened, but Aang/Katara never bothered me. Maybe because I was still a teen when I first saw it?)

Eh, that's kind of similar to arguments about how women got married young in the past, which is exaggerated. Kids were still kids even in the past and in less technologically advanced societies.

It is interesting that Aang had to mature quickly while at the same time he was encouraging Katara to realize that she is still young and needs to take time to play. Aang still seems to think of himself as pretty young. There's a point where Katara says "I haven't done this since I was a kid" and Aang replies "You still are a kid". But I guess the idea that he had to grow up faster than he would otherwise is still true.

Not that much. Kids back then would not have had a mentality similar in any way to what any of us experienced in middle/high-school. Children back then may have still been childish in some aspects, but they knew they'd have to take on responsibilities much earlier, and were taught to get a good wife/husband to secure a good living. It makes sense to me that Aang would have seen Katara and thought that she was a strong young woman who he got along with and that she could be a good wife in the future. Same for Katara.

It makes me think of the manga Bride's Story. There's a whole arc about two 14 y/o girls who're obsessed with securing a good husband as soon as possible.

Do you have any good nonfiction sources for this sort of thing? Or really well-researched historical fiction I suppose. I find it really interesting but there's so much disagreement out there and it's hard to know who to believe.

I'm in no way an expert, and most of what I read about cultural relativism and marrying customs has come from Cultural Anthropology by Barbara Miller.

(also it's not like it's srs bsns historical fiction, but the manga I mentioned is extremely well-researched as well, it's just very lighthearted!)

I'm curious now, tho, where did you read about pre-teen psychology that said they acted like children?

It's not about preteens acting like children. It's about preteens acting like preteens. I've mostly come at this from a developmental psychology angle plus some anthropology reading. I've been wanting to do more reading that comes at it from a more personal history approach.

Just to be clear, I'm fine with Katara being as mature as she is. But even before adolescence was acknowledged as a stage of development and people were seen as going straight from children to adults, that jump usually occurred around 14 or 15, not 12 like Aang. My point was not so much that they're both children but that 12 is generally pretty different from 14, and that's been a common view for a long time.

it's weird because we never really get to know them as adults. We know them as kids, and then we know Katara as an old widow. But it does help a bit when you acknowledge that they didn't just jump right into marriage. Idk, I've known people who were dating since middle school and ended up married so I just think of it as that.

I agree with this. I would have loved to see them as young parents or something.

that reminds me that I had sort of a headcanon/vague fic idea that I'll never get around to

I don't think they had the happiest marriage

Why not?

based on how their kids act, and how they talk about their relationship with Aang, I got the feeling that they had their fair share of problems

not like it was the most horrible marriage ever but it wasn't fairy tale magic love, either

it was interesting to me and I probably wrote notes about it somewhere

if you are asking why I won't ever write the fic it is mostly lack of motivation/focusing on original fiction and school work right now. The story I had in my head deserves a lot more attention than I'm willing to give it.

Aang/Katara was the first one that came to mind. lol. Definitely not a fan, didn't see it, too young.

I agree about Aang/Katara. He had moments of wisdom and insight but he still felt like an immature kid, where she felt like someone who had to grow up too fast and had a more mature outlook. I was really soured on them during the Ember Island episode where he kept pushing and she was clearly uncomfortable. Considering the Ember Island episode was just before the final four episodes, this was the last concrete impression we have of their relationship before they end up together at the end. We're never told what she's thinking or how her mind was changed, so the kiss doesn't feel justified for me.

But long-term, I don't think they would've worked. In some ways, I feel that Legend of Korra has shown what concerned me. Aang proved again and again how important his spiritual path was to him. He even learned that letting go of Katara was the best way to keep her safe. He's the only one left of his people; it's his responsibility to make sure his way of life isn't lost. His ideals are very important to him. All of this makes me feel that he was just going to go further and further down a spiritual path where he has to detach himself from the world.

Katara, on the other hand, is very concerned with the world. She is very attached. Even if she could follow him on a spiritual path, I don't think she would. If you look at the Southern Raiders episodes and how Katara and Aang approached the subject of vengeance -- they just seemed on very different wavelengths. Now, possibly this could've been used to make a stronger partnership -- he could bring calm and wisdom to her, and she could bring passion and perspective to him -- but I just didn't feel like that was very likely. How their kids turned out seems pretty spot-on from what I was seeing in the two of them as kids.

/my two cents

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