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[ SECRET POST #2635 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2635 ⌋

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[Casshern (film)]

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[cosplay, Anthony Misiano]

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03. http://i.imgur.com/4s3vCwo.png
[link for nudity/etc. naked mpreg snape with boobs.]

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04. http://i.imgur.com/aQi1eUV.png
[link for nudity (OP requested it; not really sexual though. probably would've been ok, considering the one below ↓)]

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08. [posted twice]

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[Josh Radnor]

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10. [SPOILERS for Sherlock]

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11. [SPOILERS for Grimm]

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12. [SPOILERS for Twisted]

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13. [WARNING for ephebophilia]

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14. [WARNING for suicide]

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Sooooo...anyone remember this show? Opinions? I used to like it when I was a kid, and Joe Friday's rants always sounded cool, but now that I can actually pick up on social messages and ideologies, I'm like :\

It's not even a case of accidental datedness, it's a case of "wow, I did not realize the implications of having them bash those things."

Pretty much every cop show is borderline fascist propaganda.

You must be watching the wrong cop shows.

Possibly, but doubtful. Counter-examples, please?

I don't even know what you're talking about so I can't exactly give counter-examples. In what way are cop shows fascist? (unless they, like, portray all lawbreaking as a betrayal of the state or something...and *I* can't think of any examples of that.)

Many cop shows have a tendency to portray police officers as nearly infallible instruments of justice who are always correct, and even more worrying, a tendency to depict them violating civil rights and procedures in an approving light. Internal Affairs officers are creeps and villains; police officers who do Whatever It Takes are heroes trying to put Bad Guys away. That's usually where this criticism comes from: cop shows have a tendency to put across the message that the police are nearly always in the right, and should be allowed to do whatever they want.

Beat me to it.

I don't think they really do, though. Cop shows almost never have "cops" being infallible. They have "these few specific cops who are the main characters" being nearly infallible, the same way 99% of all TV shows portray their heroes. In cop shows, other cops who are not the heroes are very frequently portrayed as fallible, corrupt, wrong, abusive, zealous, dangerous, bullying, etc.

I don't know how relevant that distinction is when just by the nature of a drama we spend by far the most time watching the heroes. That still ends up being the overwhelming message all the time, when you look at it on a macro scale, even when you have other cops being bad. Even if a given show isn't explicitly saying this is what all police are like, it's still treating that kind of behavior and those kinds of attitudes as a good thing and it's still focusing its attention and sympathy on a cop who is like that. I mean I just don't think that's a great defense.

Re: Dragnet, Or, "You Dirty Hippies, Respect Mah Authoritah!"

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-22 01:01 (UTC) - Expand

"The police", or "the heroes, who happen to be police"? There's a pretty big difference and I can't think of a single cop show off the top of my head that is "rah rah all police are great!"

See my reply to above.

And I do apologize because I am making a generalization. But the point is that cop shows have a tendency to endorse these attitudes, and they have a tendency to spend most of their time and narrative energy on a portrayal of police who are rah rah great at everything.

Luther? The Sweeny? Castle? Murdoch Mysteries? The Bill?

Ah, ok having seen the criteria for Fascism, I would like to remove Luther and the Sweeny from this list, haven't seen enough of castle yet to know if it fits, though. Murdoch Mysteries and the Bill still count for me, though.

...how? Examples?

There's an anon above who pretty much nailed it so I don't have to, but CSI, NCIS and many, many other shows are all guilty.

I thought Person of Interest was like that at first (it really skeeved me out) but every so often I'll take a look at it when it's on TV and it's gotten WEIRD, and I'm wondering if maybe that's the intent.

Person of Interest is complicated - on the one hand, it's critical or at least skeptical of law enforcement apparatus, and the whole surveillance thing is definitely an issue within the show (and they also have plotlines about corruption in the police force). On the other hand, the setup of the show is still about cheering for a bunch of vigilantes, and it doesn't question that element of it so much.

I see vigilantism as inherently anti-fascist, actually. It's individuals taking matters into their own hands rather than relying on the state to handle it.

I definitely don't agree that it's inherently anti-fascist, because it's really easy for me to see a fascist argument for it. I mean, fascism is not in favor of the state in all circumstances, so I can completely see someone saying "Those bastard politicians and leeches who are in charge are letting all the criminals go free, so therefore it's up to defend our peoples' heritage and security by beating the shit out of anyone who doesn't look like us."

But I'll agree it's not inherently fascist either.

Whut

Do you know what fascism is

Sure do, sugar cookie. Do you know what hyperbole is?

This sums it up quite well.

YEAH! SMASH THE SYSTEM! FUCK THATCHER! DEATH TO THE FILTH!

But just out of curiosity, is this opinion limited to TV cop shows? What about, say books?

Oh man, Friday's rants. Some of them were so good. And then some of them were "IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA ONCE YOU WILL NEVER BE SOBER AGAIN. UNLIKE ALCOHOL WHICH IS FINE."

Now I want a crossover between Dragnet and one of those shows that came about a decade or so later full of post-Serpico system-fighting cops.

I like the tom hanks film. That is all.

I fucking love Dragnet, but much of my enjoyment of it comes from laughing at the rants about The Problems With Today's Youth and the way the'd stop to remind an old lady to lock her car.

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