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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-27 06:52 pm

[ SECRET POST #2641 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-03-28 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
This thread is so fucking ridiculous, I can't even.

Only could Game of Thrones fans be in pure denial that a lily white lady saving a bunch of dark skinned slaves isn't a picture definition of "White Savior." And the arguments here are so insane.

"There were only dark skinned people available because Morocco lol it would've been racist not to cast them!"
"Those brown slaves are actually white!"
"Americans shove there views of racism on everything!"

and my favorite:

"SJW!!!!!"

Like, are we seriously going to deny that racism exists or try to equate discrimination/slavery of white people to racism against POC today? Or that you must be American or a SJW to be skeptical of this scene and its casting? Or that this is a WHITE show with American production, taking place in basically a fantasy white Europe, basically all the leads are white, and the only non-white characters are almost without exception portrayed as barbaric and/or slaves?

For all the arguments you could make justifying the scene (and there might be some legitimate ones), denying that it's a blatant White Savior moment is about as idiotic as claiming that Danaerys in the show is not white.

I mean, I hope the posters here are trolls, but I don't think they are. So if they are trolls, good job, you get a 10/10. If they are normal people, 0/10. ugh. For all the times I genuinely think F!S has relatively smart people who can engage in serious discussion even under the guise of anon, I get proven wrong whenever anything about race enters the picture.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-28 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
the arguments you mentioned were made against other assumptions, try again.

you get different options on race in every post about race because RACISM IS NOT THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTRY so obviously different people have different views, how is that so hard to understand???
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[personal profile] ariakas 2014-03-28 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
the arguments you mentioned were made against other assumptions, try again

Why? That in no way invalidates those summaries. That's literally what people were saying. "Those were the only extras around!"/"Moroccans are actually white!"/"AMERICAN!!!!"/"SJW!!!!!" are literally the 'arguments' being made to claim the scene was not a White Saviour moment.

And yes, they are fucking ludicrous. The casting was in no way colourblind or just "happened", and regardless of what Moroccans think of themselves, the intended (majority) audience of the show in no way considers them white (ignorantly or not), a fact of which the creators are entirely aware.

The "your American perspective has coloured your views on this issue" argument is relevant sometimes, but shrieking it blindly like an insult (as people have in this thread) at anyone and everyone who disagrees with them whether they are actually American or not could not be less relevant and could not be more intellectually dishonest and just plain dim.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-28 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Most people in Europe and Asia don't even think about white and brown races you ignorant yankee.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-28 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
this.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-28 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Ariakas is not American, i.e. she is not a "yankee."

(Anonymous) 2014-03-29 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
She's doing a bloody good impression of one
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[personal profile] ariakas 2014-03-29 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
By, uh, being correct? Referring to the show's intended audience and creator intent, which you're trying to magically handwave away? That's flattering. Didn't know ignorant Europeans had good impressions of Americans, though, for the most part.
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[personal profile] ariakas 2014-03-29 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Saviour

coloured

you ignorant yankee

Loooool. Either this is some sad, sad trolling or you are super dumb.