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...that seems extremely judgemental on your part, tbph, nonny.

DA. How is it judgmental? I see it more as extreme curiosity about the subject, bordering on nosy, but we're talking telepathy here anyway.

NAYRT, but this part: To see if they 100% don't believe in God(s) or if they, the religious people, actually believe what they claim to believe.

That does come across as somewhat judgemental to me. It seems to assume a base dishonesty in how much people believe compared to how much they profess to believe. Which may or may not be the case, but the whole 'I want to see how much you truly believe' does strike me as judgemental.

I'm the anon who said it sounded judgemental. The anon above me summed it up perfectly. There is a verse in the Christian scriptures about working out one's own salvation, instead of focusing on whether or not others are working out theirs.

Assuming the OP is even Christian, that is. Maybe OP is an atheist? As a believer, it's definitely not something I worry about, or even need to know, as far as others are concerned.

Then why do you care so much?

AYRT

...I don't? I just said it seemed judgemental to me. Unless you're just trolling, if so, my apologies. We seem to have wandered off into an interesting conversation instead. :-)

Knowing the truth about someone is judgmental? You are fine with never knowing if someone is lying to you? Ignorance IS your bliss?

Weird.

AYRT

It was more the assumption that people, unless the option is removed, will by lying that seemed judgemental. Some people might be, but I'm not going to doubt everyone who says they believe just because I don't have a window into their heads.

Also, the OP didn't say 'I want to know when people are lying', they said 'I want to know if they really believe'. Not a general lie detector, but a specific one focused purely on questions of their personal faith. Of all the things I might want to know someone was lying about, whether they secretly harbour doubts about the afterlife isn't one of them. Some people may be hypocrites out to cause damage, but others aren't, and their doubts and fears in that area aren't something I feel any particular need to drag out into the light.

I am AYRT, and I didn't write the above response. (The sub-threads can be hard to keep track of, I realize.) Though I agree with anon above me.

Sorry, I was going by the specific comment they replied to, which was one of mine, rather than the overall thread.

'S'OK, I've done it myself. :-)

AYRT

Those things can be determined without telepathy. Granted, sometimes after the fact, but you'll still find out, one way or another. If you are observant enough, or if the person lying to you slips up, both of which eventually do tend to happen. As for "knowing the truth about someone" iceyred and I are discussing below the problem with this, as people's emotions and feeling on the matter change from time to time. So, it might be "the truth about someone" at that time, but that truth might be different ten seconds, ten hours, or even ten years, later on, for the very same person. Based on their experiences/motivations/feelings/inspirations/etc.

I am not a proponent of "ignorance is bliss" in fact I believe quite the opposite. Although that tends to be a blanket insult, hurled by atheists at believers....I do acknowledge there are quite a few (so-called) Christian denominations that take this tack, but I am non-denominational, so.

How is it judgemental? I want to see if people say one thing and actually believe another.

Does the preacher on the pulpit asking for millions of dollars from his flock to build a megachurch in order to bring the word of God to others actually believe in God or is he doing it for money and fame?

Is the atheist with the best selling book about how God doesn't exist secretly faking his disbelief? If so, why?

Aren't you curious?

I think there's an assumption that you'd look down on people who didn't match up.

Yes, that's where the judgement would come in.

If they are trying to make off money or get power over those who don't believe or believe by faking a belief or disbelief, you wouldn't look down on them?

We aren't talking the common every day person. We are talking people who a shilling books and making laws.

No, I wouldn't look down on them. (There are a lot of folks like that in my church leadership, actually, and I don't look down on them.) Because that would make my faith not worth the paper it's printed on. (Quite literally.)

It isn't my place to judge those who are taking advantage of others, that (by my beliefs) is for God to judge. Because it is not outside the realm of possibility that one of those people shilling books may one day be called to not take advantage of the weak and powerless, and they may repent/change their lives.

Basically, everyone has a chance. In my particular beliefs, everyone will have a chance, eventually (so that's the "afterlife" belief OP would see in my head). So, if everyone has the capacity to change themselves, and at some point in the future, they will make the choice to change their ways (or not, in which case, God will judge them), why should I judge them at all?

Sorry. That probably sounds a bit more complex than it actually is.

AYRT

I am a believer, and as I answered the anon above, no, I'm not curious. Both of the examples you cite speak for themselves. Trust me, Godcorp's CEO ain't in it for the spiritual power of the magic green hankies he's pushing on late-night TV. As for the "best-selling atheist who secretly believes in God" in my tradition, belief or unbelief of others is irrelevant; we don't ask what people believe, nor even if they believe, nor do we tell others we are believers; rather, we observe what people do. (And pray constantly that what we do, reflects well, instead of poorly, on the faith in general.)

The other issue that immediately presents itself to my mind is, what if you happen to be interacting with someone who is having a moment of spiritual weakness? Or a terrible crisis of faith? You would walk away thinking they are terrible hypocrites (and you would, perhaps, treat them as such), when really, they've only just temporarily lost their way.

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