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fandomsecrets2014-03-29 03:59 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2643 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2643 ⌋
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Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-29 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)I have absolutely no problem with Beverly dying. As you say, the only safe characters are Will and Hannibal. I do, however, have a huge problem with how it went down.
1. Beverly has been shown to be smart enough to figure out Hannibal. It makes absolutely no sense that she'd go to Hannibal's house. Anything she found there would be inadmissible, plus she had literally just shown that she could find evidence if she looked back over thangs that had been collected, so wouldn't she have tried that first? It makes her look like an idiot to jump right to illegally searching Hannibal's house.
2. Beverly is a good shot. She has a gun and is faced with an unarmed Hannibal. She gets shots off. And yet somehow she doesn't hit him? It's cliche, but I would have preferred a jammed gun or something. As this, again, makes her look incompetent.
3. The presentation. It is way too close to the death the term "fridging" is based on for me to feel at all comfortable with it.
I'm happy that Fuller cast a diverse group of people, and I understand that bad things will happen to them, but this death was written very poorly/distastefully for me.
Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-29 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)The only evidence she had was Will telling her to look for a signature from the killer on the body. And Hannibal saying something similar.
If you presented this evidence to a judge how Hannibal saying something similar to what Will said, the judge would say, "That's not evidence. Hannibal is psychiatrist. He works on the mind like Will. Of course they would same similar things like that."
Crawford also didn't want Katz really hanging around Will or investigating Hannibal. She knew she needed concrete evidence to implicate Hannibal. And if she found the missing organ in Hannibal's fridge and brought it not to a judge but to Crawford, he would finally have to listen. Because where would Katz have gotten that missing organ anyway? It would either imply Hannibal is the killer or Katz is the killer and is trying to frame Hannibal. Which one would you believe?
I don't think it was dumb of her to go sneaking around Hannibal's. Because 1) she wasn't sure if he was the killer. What if it turned out he wasn't. No harm. No foul. Crawford wouldn't find out. And if he was, she had proof.
"2. Beverly is a good shot. She has a gun and is faced with an unarmed Hannibal. She gets shots off. And yet somehow she doesn't hit him? It's cliche, but I would have preferred a jammed gun or something. As this, again, makes her look incompetent."
Hannibal knows the basement better than Katz. I can see him getting the edge on her because of being on his home turf. Even if she did have a gun. Yes, she trained. But 1) she wasn't expecting Hannibal behind her. 2) what ever she saw in the basement (I am guessing the remains of Abigail) shook her making her not ready for Hannibal.
Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 02:11 am (UTC)(link)The evidence she had found was the stitches hidden in the other stitches. Hiding the missing kidney. Meaning that there were layers upon layers in the evidence. Thus she should have (I think would have) looked again through everything, checking for hidden layers. And how do you think she would have gotten the evidence she found in Hannibal's house tested? I know that fictional crime labs don't have the backlog of real ones, but they still need at least some procedure to log in evidence.
It was incredibly stupid of her to go to Hannibal's. Even if she found nothing, that wouldn't prove he wasn't the killer. Just that he didn't have anything there. It would be incredibly easy for him to have another place to process things. And if she did find something, as it couldn't be used for evidence (even if she could find a way to process it on her own to prove it was evidence), all it would do would be to alert Hannibal that someone, likely her, was onto him. And he would adapt accordingly. And, basically, it would be her death sentence, even if she weren't caught there. (Which she had no real provisions for, which is also careless.)
2. All she had to do was shoot him center of mass. There were no real obstacles in the way that I could see, so she should have hit him. An untrained person, maybe not, but a trained one? From that distance? Unlikely. (Except when the writing needs it to work out in that manner. Which, again, I consider lazy writing.)
Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 11:07 am (UTC)(link)Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 12:56 am (UTC)(link)Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 02:14 am (UTC)(link)Again, I have to preface this with the caveat that I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the episode yet, but this is what a friend told me when I asked about it... "What Hannibal did with Beverly was strangle her, put her into the freezer, then cut her up for display." Considering in the original Green Lantern cartoon that started the term "fridging", the villain killed GL's girlfriend, cut her up, and displayed her in a refrigerator, it is too close for me to feel comfortable with. As Beverly's death is arguably fridging, I don't think that was the best death to present like that.
Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)It would be odd for Hannibal not to display her body in any way. To simply dump her body in a field or make her disappear completely. (For Abigail to vanish is part of the plot and it makes sense. For Katz to vanish. It would be OOC.)
Re: Horror genre rant with major Hannibal spoilers
(Anonymous) 2014-03-30 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)1. The last agent who discovered him was Miriam. She disappeared completely, so there is precedence.
2. It wasn't even Beverly being displayed that I had the issue with. If she had been impaled on antlers, or hung from the ceiling, or whatever, I would have had less of an issue with it than with the use of a freezer. As I said, it is just too close to the fridging trope (which, arguably, Beverly was) for me to feel comfortable with it.