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Final spoiler warning...

If you've seen last night's episode you'll know that, yes, Katz is dead. Murdered and put on display by Hannibal.

Now there's a grumbling among the dark corners of Hannibal fandom (yes, on tumblr and twitter) who are calling Fuller a racist and sexist for allowing Hannibal to kill Katz. How dare a white, male producer allow a woman of color to die on a show.

As a huge fan of horror I am outraged by this. Not because of what Fuller did but because do these so called Hannibal fans do not understand how the horror genre works. You are watching a horror show. People die. In fact, there's a good chance that it will be many, many people before the credits end. Your favorite character? There's a good chance she or he will not make it to the end credits. That's how the horror genre works. If you've seen the movie The Cabin in the Woods, it puts down a perfect outline on how horror movies/shows work. The last remaining survivor is always the virgin (or the innocent). She or he may die by the time the credits roll but she/he will be the last one standing. On Hannibal, the virgin is Will. He is the innocent. The second character to last until the very end is the villain. Or else if the villain dies half way through the series/movie, you don't have a story. In this case, the villain is Hannibal. These are the only two characters who cannot die until the very end. Everyone else is fair game. And when I mean everyone, I mean EVERYONE. The smart character that has it all figured out? He could die at any moment. The hero who is hacking her way through zombies to save the innocent? Yeah, there's a good chance she is going to die too.

And it drives me up the wall that these so-called fans of Hannibal don't get that. That Hannibal is a horror show. It follows the rules of the horror genre. Katz was the smart character who figured out Hannibal. OF COURSE she was going to die. Mind you, she wasn't the first. She did last until the second season. She is just one of the many that will be picked off until it boils down to Hannibal vs. Will.

This isn't a racist or sexist thing. It's a horror thing.

Fans of specific genre, has this happened to you? Where non-genre fans go into your favorite genres and are upset that the genre works a certain way? Like for example, non-romantic comedy fans going into the romantic-comedy fandom and are upset with all the romantic plot lines in "their comedies."

I've been laughing about this for a week now (or two? since the cliffhanger). It's really just people throwing a tantrum because their favorite character died and trying to justify it as not just something about personal preference.

Can the horror genre be questioned? Of course. Are some of the tropes sexist? Absolutely. But these people have been watching a show about a cannibal that worships its protagonist so much it'd make the messiah the victim of the week if it made Hannibal look scarier. No one was ever safe from being served as dinner. Honestly I don't know what people expected.

*cough* basically I agree with you.

Hettienne Park's opinion (http://yellowbird66.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/racism-sexism-and-hannibal-eat-the-rude/)

This is really good. Everybody read this.

Believe me, I would’ve preferred having Katz go down with a fight, but when I brought it up, I was told there was concern around showing Hannibal beating up a woman.

And a whole different can of worms...

I need to preface this by saying that I haven't brought myself to watch last night's episode, so all I have is the previous episode and what I've seen in spoilers about her presentation.

I have absolutely no problem with Beverly dying. As you say, the only safe characters are Will and Hannibal. I do, however, have a huge problem with how it went down.

1. Beverly has been shown to be smart enough to figure out Hannibal. It makes absolutely no sense that she'd go to Hannibal's house. Anything she found there would be inadmissible, plus she had literally just shown that she could find evidence if she looked back over thangs that had been collected, so wouldn't she have tried that first? It makes her look like an idiot to jump right to illegally searching Hannibal's house.

2. Beverly is a good shot. She has a gun and is faced with an unarmed Hannibal. She gets shots off. And yet somehow she doesn't hit him? It's cliche, but I would have preferred a jammed gun or something. As this, again, makes her look incompetent.

3. The presentation. It is way too close to the death the term "fridging" is based on for me to feel at all comfortable with it.

I'm happy that Fuller cast a diverse group of people, and I understand that bad things will happen to them, but this death was written very poorly/distastefully for me.

" plus she had literally just shown that she could find evidence if she looked back over thangs that had been collected, so wouldn't she have tried that first?"

The only evidence she had was Will telling her to look for a signature from the killer on the body. And Hannibal saying something similar.

If you presented this evidence to a judge how Hannibal saying something similar to what Will said, the judge would say, "That's not evidence. Hannibal is psychiatrist. He works on the mind like Will. Of course they would same similar things like that."

Crawford also didn't want Katz really hanging around Will or investigating Hannibal. She knew she needed concrete evidence to implicate Hannibal. And if she found the missing organ in Hannibal's fridge and brought it not to a judge but to Crawford, he would finally have to listen. Because where would Katz have gotten that missing organ anyway? It would either imply Hannibal is the killer or Katz is the killer and is trying to frame Hannibal. Which one would you believe?

I don't think it was dumb of her to go sneaking around Hannibal's. Because 1) she wasn't sure if he was the killer. What if it turned out he wasn't. No harm. No foul. Crawford wouldn't find out. And if he was, she had proof.

"2. Beverly is a good shot. She has a gun and is faced with an unarmed Hannibal. She gets shots off. And yet somehow she doesn't hit him? It's cliche, but I would have preferred a jammed gun or something. As this, again, makes her look incompetent."

Hannibal knows the basement better than Katz. I can see him getting the edge on her because of being on his home turf. Even if she did have a gun. Yes, she trained. But 1) she wasn't expecting Hannibal behind her. 2) what ever she saw in the basement (I am guessing the remains of Abigail) shook her making her not ready for Hannibal.

AYRT

The evidence she had found was the stitches hidden in the other stitches. Hiding the missing kidney. Meaning that there were layers upon layers in the evidence. Thus she should have (I think would have) looked again through everything, checking for hidden layers. And how do you think she would have gotten the evidence she found in Hannibal's house tested? I know that fictional crime labs don't have the backlog of real ones, but they still need at least some procedure to log in evidence.

It was incredibly stupid of her to go to Hannibal's. Even if she found nothing, that wouldn't prove he wasn't the killer. Just that he didn't have anything there. It would be incredibly easy for him to have another place to process things. And if she did find something, as it couldn't be used for evidence (even if she could find a way to process it on her own to prove it was evidence), all it would do would be to alert Hannibal that someone, likely her, was onto him. And he would adapt accordingly. And, basically, it would be her death sentence, even if she weren't caught there. (Which she had no real provisions for, which is also careless.)

2. All she had to do was shoot him center of mass. There were no real obstacles in the way that I could see, so she should have hit him. An untrained person, maybe not, but a trained one? From that distance? Unlikely. (Except when the writing needs it to work out in that manner. Which, again, I consider lazy writing.)

2. Except he specifically turned out the lights and ducked low to the ground. After that instant, she'd have no idea where he was.

I won't argue that it was shitty writing at parts, but about the third point... we've been getting loving shots of decomposed bodies with all manner of things growing on them. It was just a matter of time until one of the main characters was presented in such a way. I don't think you can call something distasteful if you already knew you were watching a show about a cannibal.

AYRT

Again, I have to preface this with the caveat that I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the episode yet, but this is what a friend told me when I asked about it... "What Hannibal did with Beverly was strangle her, put her into the freezer, then cut her up for display." Considering in the original Green Lantern cartoon that started the term "fridging", the villain killed GL's girlfriend, cut her up, and displayed her in a refrigerator, it is too close for me to feel comfortable with. As Beverly's death is arguably fridging, I don't think that was the best death to present like that.

I could see if this was the only unusual death display on the show but this is one of many. From skinless "angels", to turning people into musical instruments, turning them into "paintings" to Columbian "neckties". Not to mention all the displays of victims dressed up as meals on Hannibal's plates.

It would be odd for Hannibal not to display her body in any way. To simply dump her body in a field or make her disappear completely. (For Abigail to vanish is part of the plot and it makes sense. For Katz to vanish. It would be OOC.)

AYRT

1. The last agent who discovered him was Miriam. She disappeared completely, so there is precedence.

2. It wasn't even Beverly being displayed that I had the issue with. If she had been impaled on antlers, or hung from the ceiling, or whatever, I would have had less of an issue with it than with the use of a freezer. As I said, it is just too close to the fridging trope (which, arguably, Beverly was) for me to feel comfortable with it.

I have no opinions about how that death went down (like you said, it's a horror show, people die, deal), but the fandom reaction amuses me. Watching Mark Spoils implode in a cloud of drama is like a reward unto itself.

I don't watch Hannibal at all, but I've seen the clip of her body displayed and... it actually looked cool? Aesthetically speaking.

I agree completely. I'm not sure how people are missing the horror aspect and taking it as a normal procedural or something when all the crazy tableaux and horror movie homages and surreal nightmare images are right there. It should be abundantly clear by the time they get to Buffet Froid, at the latest. You'd think Hannibal hadn't killed anyone before this, the way some are reacting. It's kind of a running thing with him, and people we know and like are going to run afoul of him from time to time, especially if they're smart and good at what they do. Beverly wasn't even supposed to last this long. She was originally going to die last season, with her ear ending up in Will's stomach, but they liked her and didn't feel like they'd done enough with her for her death to have an impact. She was my favorite character aside from Hannibal and Will, but I honestly didn't have much hope for her after the first trailer came out. She wasn't a main character, and like you said, only Will and Hannibal are guaranteed until the end. Even Jack could bite it by the end of the season. They're still yelling at Fuller on Twitter and he's still not going for it, so that's pretty funny.

Yeah. I mean, I keep reading how people are "shocked" and all but... you are watching a horror/thriller show about a guy who eats people. What the fuck did you expect??

I agree on one hand, but on the other hand I completely understand people being upset that a WoC was killed off. Tumblr user incognitia said:

"Killing off a woman of color sucks.

Not killing characters when the story needs it also sucks.

POC characters get killed because there are few of them, and they are all secondary/expendable, which also sucks.

Solution: There need to be MORE MAIN CHARACTERS WHO ARE NOT A WHITE DUDE. "

I'm upset at Bev's death, because inevitable as it may have been, I would have liked to see more of Beverly first, at least get an episode to herself or something. I mean hell, all of these female characters are being killed off, it's hard not to be kinda skeeved out.

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