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[ SECRET POST #2649 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2649 ⌋

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[AlternateHistory.com : Malê Rising]

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11. [SPOILERS for Superior Spider-Man]

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12. [SPOILERS for Believe]

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[Orwell]

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[Colditz]

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15. [WARNING for child molestation]

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I blame DC, they got us so used to things being cancelled halfway through, writers being fired for having and using talent, and for half-assed retcons and reboots, that we forgot that sometimes Professional Comic Book Companies, like Marvel, have storylines that really can be planned and delivered successfully.

It really drives me crazy that DC is so bad about this. Dan Didio did a lot to save DC in the mid-00s (I always felt like the tense run-up to Infinite Crisis was in part mirroring the trouble DC was going through at the time) but his shoot-from-the-hip style and generally not giving a fuck about PR has done a lot of damage to DC's image. It doesn't help that Marvel has hoovered up the lion's share of potential fans through their movie franchise and their ability to not fucking alienate everyone who isn't a 40-something white dude.

As full of shit as he often is, Willis had a point here.

Scott Lobdell has a lot to answer for. He may possibly be the worst writer at DC right now.

It was the Batwoman gay-wedding cancellation that got me. I mean, fuck, just at the time the world was rolling back anti-gay marriage laws DC came out and cancelled a gay couple's wedding. And for why, I hear you cry? Because some idiot had the idea that superheroes couldn't be married, because they all had to be lonely vigilantes holding back the night. That doesn't even fit with the theme of all the Bat-family, never mind the rest of DC's stable but they went ahead and enacted it anyway. Stupid, bigoted, and just plain disrespectful to the readers who'd invested so much time and money buying comics leading up to that. DC won't get a penny from me until it stops screwing over its readers.

Also, I'd like DC to un-cancel Doomlord (since they apparently now own the rights to the character, somehow).

The Batwoman thing was so fucking infuriating.

is that from an actual comic?

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dethtoll - 2014-04-05 20:26 (UTC) - Expand

I hate how DC isn't doing anything (well, at least not to my knowledge) to try to appeal to younger readers right now. And they actually used to be decent at it, with titles like Blue Beetle, Batgirl, and Teen Titans. The post-reboot series like Batgirl and Teen Titans have been horrible, and obviously intended for older readers.

Teen Titans hasn't been that great since Marv Wolfman's run... in the early 80s.

90s Young Justice, though, that's where it was at.

What's wrong with Batgirl?

John's Teen Titans might not have been that good, especially compared to Wolfman's stuff, but at least it was appealing to younger readers and could be relatively fun. I still like to re-read it occasionally.
Yes, 90s Young Justice though. I love that series.

From what I've seen of it, the current Batgirl run looks all doom and gloom and no fun. I honestly don't know anyone who actually likes it.

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Didn't a DC exec come out and flat out say they were writing for middle aged dudes exclusively now? That isn't business strategy fated to meet with success, even I could see that.

That was Dan Didio, the co-publisher and basically the dude in charge. He's that bald asshole in the Shortpacked comic Noodles posted.

I can't stand him. What he actually means is they're writing for guys like HIM.

His decisions pulled DC out of deep water 8 years ago. But it's time for him to go.

“What’s wrong [with the comics industry]? … In the late ’70s, all the comic fans decided to get into the business. The problem is, it was a bunch of superhero fans. And an industry that had, up until that point, catered to almost every genre imaginable slowly and slowly was narrowed down and boiled down to a point where it was superhero comics, and that’s all there were.

And then they all were writing these comics for each other — not for a mass market, not for young people. And then, as they aged, the content aged to suit their needs. And the idea is, when you’re an adult, you’re supposed to turn to other forms of entertainment, maybe, or appreciate comics for what they were. But that hasn’t been the case. So now we have superheroes that rape, we have heroin addicts, we have all this kind of bullshit that’s been heaped onto these characters that were meant to entertain kids and give them a little sense of right and wrong and adventure. I think it’s so sad. And you see what the strategy has done.

… In 1972, Jimmy Olsen comics sold 200,000 copies a month, and it was canceled because that wasn’t enough to keep it going. These days, the best-selling book can barely scrape past 70,000 — never mind the worst-selling books. So let’s take a look at that strategy that’s been applied to this business. How’d it work out? Not too good. And the less people that read ‘em, the more expensive they have to be, and the more cryptic they have to be to cater to that tiny little market they’ve got. That’s what’s wrong.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCiVvqDTvo

I don't think it is quite as bleak as that. The Manga books do a good job of catering to wider genres, and webcomics get phenomenal numbers of hits. It is just that the Trad comic market hasn't moved on with changes in technology or tastes or capitalized on new opportunities (hardly unique to comics though, tv has the same problem and that problem is fossilized execs). DC, and to a lesser extent Marvel and Archie (I think Archie is probably the best of the three right now for upping their game), needs to start taking risks and stop pandering to yesterday's market.

same problem is happening with anime these days.

Acclaimed director Hayao Miyazaki let audiences know how he really feels about the anime industry in a recent television interview. According to the recent retiree, anime suffers because industry staff is made up of otaku who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans."

Miyazaki explained that animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others, something he feels the industry lacks because it's "full of otaku."

Yeahhhhh even though I am definitely a Marvel fan, it would be really cool if DC could get a fucking clue or have any single fucking idea about what the hell they're doing

It's a shame, too. Because DC has some really good books going on right now and really good stories. (Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman has been a real treat, so it's a shame he's leaving the book.

I always felt DC's best stories far outstrip Marvel's on every level, and when they treat their characters right (especially female ones) it makes for some genuinely breathtaking reading. But their worst? Only X-Men's worst stories compare.

At their worst, even Andy Capp is better than DC. I'll admit to being a DC fangirl (although DC doesn't believe that women read its comics), and if you ask me to name a dozen comic titles they are nearly all DC, but ask me how many DC titles I subscribe to right now? None, because DC has just been generally clueless and occasionally hostile. Marvel are beiting them on all fronts, hell even Archie are beating the hell out of DC right now.

Well now, lets be fair, Archie has relaxed it's upright moral stance a LOT.

Which let them make AoA, which is Dallas meets Night of the Living Dead in the best way.

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No matter what your preferences, having two companies making good, accessible comics and knowing what they're doing would be so good for the industry as a whole. So beneficial.

And yeah, DC can do some fantastic stuff when they're actually firing on all cylinders. I think Marvel's stories are more interesting even at their best but it's really a question of style.

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I was always a Marvel girl growing up, but Harley Quinn in B:TAS made me delve into the Batman universe at 13.

And 20 years later seriously, what the fuck have they done to her? Complex, interesting character with intriguing and awful relationships turned into a sex kitten with no personality. Old Harley would probably slap currant Harley with her mallet. Her characterization and outfit in Suicide Squad made me want to vomit.

A suicidal sex kitten with no personality, according to DC last year.

She was never supposed to be suicidal in that scene. According to the writer, it was supposed to be a fourth wall breaking moment with the writer essentially putting her into a suicide-looking situation.

It doesn't help that her solo comic in the late 00s was awful. Not as bad as these days though.

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