[ SECRET POST #2650 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2650 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

I haven't been on the site in AGES. What happened?

People were banned? Why?

[fauxkaren]

ok, I read links above and wowww

lmao

I probably would have gotten banned because I don't think Beverly was fridged.

Fridging to me specifically means killing a female character solely for a male character's pain or character development. But uh... Bev's death was really about moving the main plot forward. It was something that needed to happen to get Jack suspicious of Hannibal.

And like... they also needed to kill a character to keep the stakes of the show high and Beverly is the obvious choice. Will and Hannibal (and Jack right now) have main character immunity. So once you remove them, you are left with the science bros who no one cares about and thus their deaths wouldn't be impactful on either the viewers or the characters OR you're left with the various female characters that make up the supporting cast. And really, Bev was the obvious choice. It makes sense for her to investigate Hannibal. Freddie could have been killed but then she's an antagonist that I think they'd like to keep around for a while. Alana could have been killed, but as a character she has more to offer the writers due to her past with both Will and Hannibal. It could have been Bella, but she's dying anyway. Or maybe Bedelia, but no one in the cast aside from Hannibal knows who she is so her death wouldn't have affected them as much.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it was actually a great narrative decision. It's a shame about the greater context of what media in general does, but this one specific death wasn't business as usual. Sure it stings, but we just have to keep asking for more characters like Bev.

Or maybe we were all too busy making gifsets and huge meta posts to remember that. Who knows.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so the mains ARE all men, after all. I've seen this show heralded as one of the best! shows! on tv! re: female characters, but those don't sound like great offerings, tbh.

[fauxkaren]

lmao whoever told you that was a liar

I mean, it is an improvement over the source material because two characters who were men in the books are women in the show in order to get some more gender diversity.

But um.

Yeah, the show is fundamentally about two white dudes and their relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree completely. She was killed because she got too close to a violent criminal while she was doing her job. That's not fridging. I hate to lose the character and the actress who played her, but it made sense within the story. That's the nature of this type of show.

[gabzillaz]

What happened after her death is textbook fridging imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't watch the show, but I need to ask: is this some sort of pun related to Hannibal *literally* putting her/parts of her into a fridge to save for later, or is this something else?

[gabzillaz]

Oh no, I'm talking about her death being more about Will, Jack and Science Bros' pain than Bev herself. And Bryan Fuller saying that she was meant to die in season one and the only reason she didn't was because they audience didn't know her enough then so they needed to develop her more before killing her.

I don't think he saved anything btw, he ate her liver and put the rest on display.

[(Anonymous)]

this is a horror show above all. All the characters who are important are going to die eventually, other than the monster and the virgin (and then eventually one of them will die too).

[gabzillaz]

Yes, I know. Why do people trying to defend it always use this excuse?

The Hannibal fandom was adamant about how this show was "different" from other horror shows, that's probably why people are disappointed that in the end it wasn't.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Aha, thank you. As I said, I don't watch the show, so most of my knowledge comes from FS and random blog articles. I normally wouldn't have asked, but Hannibal is one of the few shows where someone might get actually, literally stored in a refridgerator, so I wanted to clarify.

Re: SA

[logicbutton]

Well, in this case it was also literal.

Re: SA

[gabzillaz]

No problem <3

[(Anonymous)]

But that would have gone down exactly the same way if they'd killed one of the male characters instead. Furthermore, the only way they could have swapped in one of the male characters would have been to give him Beverly's plot points over the past episodes so as to raise his importance to Will and to the audience, and to make it logical for him to have been the one who makes the dangerous decision to go looking for that evidence at that moment.

So in order for it not to have been the WOC character, the show would have had to push its WOC character into the background where she didn't get the major plot developments. And then all the people complaining about "fridging" now would have been complaining instead about casting an Asian woman and then just using her for wallpaper and eye-candy and alleged diversity points. (More reasonably, too, IMO.)

I think people just liked Katz and are latching onto a convenient, if irrational, argument for it being an outrage!! instead of simply a story event that makes us feel bad. If you treat your female characters the same way you treat your male characters, one of the things that means is that they aren't going to get special exemptions from the logic of the plot on account of being women. If you do it any other way you're not being feminist. You're pandering.

[purpleseas]

+1000

[gabzillaz]

No, there were other ways to make this less shitty. Develop both Bev and one of the Science Bros. Is not like that would require much screentime. Make one (or both!) Science Bros female characters too. Instead of making only Alana (stuck as a romantic interest and nobody can convince me she would be doing what she's doing if she was male like the in the books) and Freddie (meant to die horribly) into women, why not genderswap characters that are gonna live?

Bev is dead, Abigail is dead, Miriam is probably dead or worse, Bedelia is gone and if she reappears she'll probably die, Bella is dying, Alana has been reduced to a love interest, Freddie will die horribly. The only female killer who got development was killed, meanwhile two male killers got to live after being shot.

I'm not mad Bev is dead, even if I'll miss her. The problem is HOW it was done.

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding is that fridging now means "killing a female character," full stop. The fact that her death was used to move the plot forward is also bad and means that she wasn't a Strong Female Character.

[(Anonymous)]

That is how Fridging has been used lately, but it's not what it means.

And your last sentence is just obvious trolling