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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-04-05 03:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #2650 ]


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Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
why is incest between two consenting siblings considered amoral?

i'm not asking because i ship anything, it's just something that has always confused me. i understand the issue when there's power dynamics involved like with parents or whatever.
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Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

[personal profile] dreemyweird 2014-04-05 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it has to do with instinctive behavioral patterns. Like, we need to hate incest so that the species won't experience a major decline. Nothing rational, just instincts.

But I personally do not consider incestuous relationships between siblings amoral. As long as there is consent, I'm as fine with it as I'd be with any other type of consensual relationship.

Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you mean immoral?

I think the answer to your question is squick factor.
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Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

[personal profile] dreemyweird 2014-04-05 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
>I think you mean immoral?

Yeah, I think we both do. It gets a bit complicated for those who speak certain European languages fluently, 'cause at least in two of those I know amoral IS immoral.

And you're right about the squick thing, too.

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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, what you said. My bad!

Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a few things that influence it, I think. Some of it is the way it changes or goes against perceived family bonds, a kind of transgression of the familiar structure than makes people uneasy. Some of it is the association with genetic weakening and diseases from inbreeding, though that's complicated depending on the era and how good the understanding of genetics is, but the prevalence of certain diseases in families with high levels of incest is usually noted as a factor. The combination of fears for genetic integrity or the health of any offspring, plus the transgressive nature of a relationship that might damage family bonds, come together I think to make incest taboo.

There's also maybe a cultural element. The scandals of the European royal families and their inbreeding around the end of the 19th century and the start of the 20th made a big impact on Western views of incest, and it also has an association with certain 'primative' cultures like the ancient Egyptians, so there's a bundle of old and complicated cultural biases involved as well.
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Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-04-05 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a strong instinctual avoidance of sex between siblings because of the chances it will result in a child with a severe recessive disorder of some kind.

Not sure I can answer the "immoral" bit from a purely logical perspective, but that squick has been strong enough to make most people basically want nothing to do with it.

Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd say that, most of the time, there are power dynamics between siblings as well. Depending on how much older the eldest is, they could have a lot of power over the younger. Or vice verse, depending on how the family works.

But, I don't know, if they didn't grow up together, and then met and fell in love, I wouldn't see a problem with it.
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Re: Questions there's never a good time to ask.

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2014-04-06 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
This.