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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)I have two questions that I hope someone here has an answer to and I'm super curious what unanswered questions others have!
1) That Boston marathon bombing a while ago. The news here mentioned almost exclusively leg and foot wounds. I wondered (and still wonder) were the bombs build in such a way as to explode low and wound mostly legs and feet, or did the news focus on the leg wounds because it was a marathon and runners, so leg wounds were more dramatic? I saw only two mentions of other wounds, burns and a gut wound, I think.
2) Fires. Whenever there's big fires that apparently burn down whole swathes of land and houses and stuff, I wonder... if these regions experience fires so often (like, yearly, or nearly), why aren't there better countermeasures in place? Obviously I can't ask that while the fires are being reported, since that would sound like victim blaming, which isn't what I mean at all. I'm just surprised. My region used to flood badly all the time hundreds of years ago, so I grew up with info about how people handled that (first they built houses on hills, then they made more hills themselves, then they built dams the whole length of the river and sea, then improved those and so on, so now we haven't had a bad flooding in over 40 years). Which makes me wonder why there seems nothing similar for fires.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)2) Fire is more powerful than water.
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Swamps are a bitch, too. They dry out and the peat in them starts to smoulder. If that happens, God help you, because this fire is not going to be put out, ever. It's going to burn for ages. And it's underground, which makes it 1000 times harder to do anything.
Other than that, some of these places don't have enough funds&have sucky administration that doesn't give a flying fuck about the fires.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)I'm... kind of a Christian, btw. It's complicated, largely because of the reasons I just listed actually.
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2) They do actually have countermeasures. In many places, firefighters/park rangers do controlled burns. This allows for built underbrush to be destroyed and helps prevent forest fires. They do this every couple of years where I live.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)i'm not asking because i ship anything, it's just something that has always confused me. i understand the issue when there's power dynamics involved like with parents or whatever.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)But I think in a lot of the more built up areas, the pressure to develop new land and build more houses to sell and the growth of developments - the pressure for all of that is such that people just kind of build without really giving a shit about planning for fires. So people could do that, but the profit motive and the population pressure and the demand for housing all lead to people building stuff in the moment and then getting screwed when there's a fire.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-05 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)Do English people eat what's left of the wedding cake at the christening of the married couple's first baby? I saw that on a TV show but this sounds crazy. Like what are your wedding cakes made of, English people?
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It's called a controlled burn, and many parts of many countries do in fact do them during the early or late spring, before it gets too dry. It's exactly like it sounds: it involves setting fire to a predetermined area of grass or pitch and then making sure it stays contained. The burned area can then act as a barrier if there's a fire storm that year.
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I used to be part of a crew that thinned down the trees in order to try to reduce the speed of fires spreading, and a lot of my friends are wildfire fighters.
Part of it in the southwestern US (dunno about other places, but around AZ and UT) is that the trees and brush are clustered so close together, there's much more fuel and it spreads more quickly. They have countermeasures and preventative measures, but only so much time that they can mobilize in, and sometimes the fire spreads quicker than that. Plus the personnel can be spread kind of thin.
And sometimes there's not much you can do because some dope decided to ignore the "NO CAMPFIRES, NO SMOKING" sign and decided to flick his lit cigarette away and drive off, or because lightning struck a dead tree and started things going.
But they do have a number of personnel whose entire job it is to watch for smoke or fire from atop a mountain and alert the park/forest services or the local fire department, depending on where it's coming from.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-06 12:04 am (UTC)(link)The farmland is good agricultural land in a country which doesn't have too much of it, and for nine months of the year it's a great place to live. For the other three months, everyone's slightly on edge. Each householder has a fire plan (or should have) and controlled burns are done, but short of burning the entire state each year, it isn't enough... There are volunteer fire crews in each community, brave as lions, all of them. There are helicopters and planes. If a really big fire takes hold, we have crews coming in from other countries, and we do the same for them, which is wonderful.
Still: thank god it's autumn.
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There's also the fact that it's impossible to predict WHERE the fires will be. Lightning can strike anywhere. Arsonists regularly start fires - one of the Black Saturday fires was arson (I personally think that the arsonist should be charged with murder, incidentally - eleven people died in that complex, and the fucker was only charged with one count of arson causing death!).
We do take as many precautions as we can - fire safety is drilled into Australian kids from a young age, there are building material restrictions (we couldn't use wood on our back porch because we were in the 'flame zone', for instance), we're taught what to do when the fire approaches - but when it's that huge, and when it's in areas that may not be brand new and DO have flammable materials, there's pretty much nothing you can do but get out as soon as humanely possible.
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(Anonymous) 2014-04-06 02:33 am (UTC)(link)Also, I'm not sure whether victim blaming is a thing when it comes to natural disasters. You can't really blame nature for hurting people, it just does what it does and is completely blind to human laws or concepts of fairness or justice, and there is absolutely nothing we can ever do to change that. So the onus is on us humans to take whatever steps are possible and necessary to protect ourselves. If we don't, then yeah, that's really our own fault.
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Some neighborhoods have started hiring goats herds to come eat the "excess" undergrowth. But they keep cutting away all the ice plant, and other super-high-water-content plants in favor of houses made of wood and plaster, which burns. I think they recently imposed a stipulation that you're building a new roof/reroofing, you have to make it with slake, which are those asphalt-looking tiles. It means you're less likely to go up if ash lands ON the house, but if it flies up under the eaves, you're still screwed.
For history, at least in my area there weren't fires worth mentioning until about a decade ago. There's been one every few years, since. That first one is even still "immortalized" in the local natural history museum, with articles written during those couple weeks, maps showing the spread and control, burn rates, damage done, etc. They're taking water restrictions more seriously, too, but I don't know how much that affects the outcome...
Other than that, there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do but continue fining people who flick cigarettes out their windows, fail to properly put out camp fires, etc.
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It's a lot harder to adapt to the land, or adapt the land, to prevent fires than it is for floods. It's more like avoiding an earthquake: you can take steps to prepare yourself and try to limit the damage done. It's an inevitable eventuality that you learn to live with.
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