[ SECRET POST #2652 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2652 ⌋

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Comments

[inkdust]

I love them too.

[forgottenjester]

I was honestly disappointed they weren't further explored in the books or that if there was an explanation it was something like, "Because witches."

[inkdust]

Yeah, I would have loved to learn more about them. I was always really interested in the personality correlations, but the actual why and how is pretty crazy to wonder about.

[forgottenjester]

Very true! You could go on forever trying to think of the possibilities. Also, the rules for them were inconsistencies.

[nyxelestia]

I'm writing a Daemon AU for the Avengers and I've gotten ridiculously caught up in the worldbuilding and ramifications and history and what not.

i.e. daemons are partly what animals a person is aware of and what there exist in the vicinity region so Old World people never had New World daemons until the last few centuries, and even then it was exotic until the last century or so when zoos and mass media made knowing about foreign animals easily accessible. Which means that Steve is a little thrown by how common 'exotic' daemons are in comparison to his time - they were there, but not nearly as common or normal as they are now.

And don't get me started on witches in this world. Because I have ~ideas~ about who and what the Amazons were in a world with witches.

[tabaqui]

Please link when you're done and/or post? Are you on AO3? I'm loving the sound of this. :)

[nyxelestia]

I am, in fact, on AO3! :D However, at the moment, most of it isn't even written, letalone posted.

The only bit I have up right now is here (a short 5+1 fill), though I'll be re-posting that to AO3 soon and hopefully once I get more freetime, I can start posting more of this particular AU soon. Want me to shoot you a PM on here once I get it up on AO3?

[tabaqui]

Eeeee!! Oh, Phil.....
Are you nyxelestia on AO3, too? Or someone else? I shall subscribe. :)

[nyxelestia]

I'm nyxelestia everywhere, advantage of a name that weird. :)

[tabaqui]

Cool. :)
*trundles off*

[forgottenjester]

Sounds awesome. I normally leave witches out but that's super cool. You thinking of writing it anytime soon?

Are you gonna deal with the ability to leave each other thing?

[nyxelestia]

I've already started writing it! Most of it is still in the planning stages due to timing constraints.

I was originally planning on leaving out the witches and bears, but then I got ideas, namely around Tony. First it was the idea that Tony's mom was a witch, which made her and Howard's deaths all the more traumatic - Tony grew up fully expecting his mother to outlive him and suddenly losing her threw everyone for a loop. Also, Jarvis - the original one, not the AI - was an armored bear, with the canon pronunciation because Tony's affectionately mangled mispronunciation of the Nordic spelling. He is also how/why Tony was able to make everything himself IN A CAVE! FROM A BOX OF SCRAPS! in captivity in Afghanistan - Jarvis taught Tony some elements of ursic black-smithing.

Also, because bears, 'ursic' is a word in this world, technically meaning bear-like but almost exclusively used to mean "like armored bears" not "like bears (in general)".

/needs to stop with the worldbuilding

And I've started the address the 'leaving' issue in the little bit I have posted here! Namely, I imply that nowadays there is a type of 'surgical' procedure available to make it safe to leave a daemon behind. There is some actual backstory, though (which also doubles as 'how Howard and Maria met in the first place').

[forgottenjester]

That's really interesting. Thank you for the link. I didn't a kind of opt-in surgical procedure. I also really like your ideas for the bears and witches. Would the new Jarvis be his literal soul caught in a machine, like Tony put his soul armor in a machine after he died to bring him back, or a new Jarvis that is simply based on him?

For me I took a literal imaginings from the books of stretching the bond over a lake or river until it snapped. I treat it like people treat vaccines today, everyone gets it done except those considered not healthy enough. Well, and those who use mostly pseudoscience to believe in the dangers of it. But everyone thinks they're full of it anyway. It also has to be done before the daemon is settled. I'm pulling this from the part of the book where a man died from straying too far from his wolf daemon due to hot air balloon. So you'll see a bunch of kids getting on the ferry to go to New York while their daemons stay on Liberty Island or something. And it's just there, in the background, a normal thing like brushing your teeth.

[nyxelestia]

From what I recall from the books, it wasn't just any body of water, but a 'dead' body of water (which I think either elsewhere in the books - or at least every single fanfic that brings this up mentions it like this - somehow implies this place is completely Dust neutral).

In my world, these Dust-dead zones exist, and rare instances of humans happening to accidentally get separated from their daemons in these zones and survive are the historical 'inexplicable' instances I mentioned earlier. WWII was when a few witches were finally persuaded to help humans study the process - Maria being one of them, leading her to meet Howard. The 'Dust-neutral' aspect was discovered soon after WWII was ended, and a way to pull it off 'artificially' was created around the time Tony was born. As a kind of political stunt/proof that it was safe, Maria and Howard (both already Separated, Howard having done the 'traditional' way himself) have Tony separated as a child. This leads to some other problems* down the road, one of the weirdest being that despite being human, his daemon settles into a hummingbird.

* = even though it's "safe", humans really can't tolerate being separated from their souls (it's worse than randomly leaving behind a vital organ that still impacts your body somehow - if anything happens, you're screwed, so best keep it in sight). Because of this mentality, people avoid Separation until absolutely necessary, and the fact that Tony got Separated as a child led to problems down the road (though also at least made it a law that daemons have to be settled before there can be any artificial Separations, and in most places they have to be adults, too).

And no, JARVIS is an AI, just one named after Jarvis and sharing many personality traits. Jarvis the bear originally needed to get out of bear society for a while due to politics and went to Howard due to some owed favors from the war (which the bears were peripherally involved in). Around the time Tony took over SI, Jarvis went back to bear society, hence why Tony built the AI. Jarvis visits every now and then and finds JARVIS funny as hell. :D

[forgottenjester]

But I thought the witches did it on a normal island. I don't remember them mentioning the water was dust dead or important in any way.

Wait, why is it weird that it's a hummingbird?

Aw, that sounds cute.

[nyxelestia]

I don't remember about the witches, but I do know the rules were a little different for them (I think there was something else in particular they had to do along with the physical separation itself). I know Lyra, though, had to "die" to get Separated from Pan. If it were a matter of merely slowly going away from one's own daemon over a body of water (or just slowly pushing oneself away at all), then Separation would have been more common in the books, given the number of people who end up in situations like that (i.e. dockworkers) and the amount of people who would need the Separation if they could for safety reasons (i.e. soldiers).

Hummingbird = bird, which generally is something humans don't settle as because their daemons can't safely leave their side. While witch daemons are all birds, bird daemons are extremely rare among humans.

No toy teddy bear will ever suffice for Tony Stark after having grown up being practically raised by an actual bear, there is just no matching that kind of sheer cuddle power. And he is very lucky Jarvis loves him enough to overlook the fact Tony Stark calls him his very own real live teddy bear. :P That said, this plays more seriously into how and why Tony is the way he is: he was raised by every sentient species on the planet (a human, a witch, and a bear), which gives him a lot of connections and a lot of unusual insight in life.

[forgottenjester]

You would think that but the fact of the matter is that: 1) There is absolutely no research into daemons in their universe. 2) It's never been explicitly stated in the books that death was the thing that tore them apart. It's left ambiguous as far as I remember. 3) The rules of the universe in the books are generally poorly thought out, used inconsistently, and sometimes contradicted.

Sadly, you can really do whatever you want because the dude was not that great at worldbuilding or being internally consistent.

Oh, I forgot about that. *shrug*

Hmm... that is interesting. He probably thinks sideways because of it.