[ SECRET POST #2654 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2654 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Ioan Gruffudd/Fantastic Four 2005]


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02.
[Laurell K. Hamilton]


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03.
[Bates Motel]


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04.
[Sherlock]


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05.
[Korn; Breaking Benjamin]


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06.
[American Horror Story]


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07.
[Gwyneth Paltrow, Iron Man]


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08.
[Kino's journey/Kino no tabi]


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09.
[Roxy Music]












Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno OP, I think based on what's actually happenned in the show Johnlock is a logical step. Do I think that means it would actually happen? No probably not. I mean Mary and the baby is basically the big hurdle they have put in which makes me believe it wont happen. But one can hope. At the very least, after S3, I don't know how we're supposed to assume that Sherlock is anything but in love with John. If either one of them was a woman there would be no doubt in the audiences mind that that's the way it would be going.

The important thing for me would be if it did happen it would just be the progression of their relationship it wouldnt be a massive plot line that took up an entire episode. I identify as queer so this becoming canon is more that just shipping preferences for me. In terms of the queerbaiting side of it, I quite like what the Digital Spy review of TEH had to say about it and it rather sums up my feelings on johnlock becoming canon: "Either let Sherlock and John have a platonic, loving friendship, which only relative strangers would have reason to misinterpret. Or if there is actually something more between them, something that would justify a person as close to them as Mrs Hudson making that leap, then go ahead and give that idea the actual exploration it deserves in this day and age. The only-joking-or-are-we pussyfooting around it is getting tired."


I dunno, I get sick of being called delusional for something that, to me, seems so obvious (and I am talking about the ship here not necessarily the ship becoming canon). Perhaps thats just me viewing the show through my queer goggles but I think that their relationship evolving to a relationship seems like a natural progression to me. I feel that unfortunately I'll be queer baited til the end, but I am still holding a little hope even that does make me delusional.

ahem, clearly I have a lot of ~feelings about this.

[(Anonymous)]

People who know they're being manipulated and gaybaited to no true end shouldn't reward such behavior by watching the show.

[(Anonymous)]

So I'm not allowed to watch a show I enjoy because its got problematic elements? Gee thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, tbh. I'm not even a shipper per se - I casually watched the show, liked it but didn't necessarily love it, certainly have never touched the fandom nor tumblr.

But I see a very strong reading of them as gay, or at least as Sherlock being in love with John. And I hate that, as a gay person, pointing out strong gay subtext gets me called "delusional." No, I don't think it will happen - and frankly, I do think there is some homophobia in both the queerbaiting and that Sherlock/John could just never be gay - but I don't think it will happen because of production. Not because of the narrative. If the story and characters alone merit opinion, I'd see a strong possibility for something romantic between them.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Note that nobody above answered the question about Sherlock ending up with a woman... is that just as delusional in their eyes? Somehow I think not.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't think it will happen but it wouldn't call it delusional. i also wouldn't call it delusional to say that he will end up with a man, but i think it's unlikely. i think the most likely thing is that he'll end up with no one. and in any case, i think it's pretty much impossible he's going to end up with John, specifically.

and i think what people call delusional is more to do with saying that it's already determined and final - not that they may choose to go that way, but that they already have gone that way, or w/e

[dreemyweird]

I get where you are coming from, but tbh I've never seen any difference between on-screen friendship chemistry and on-screen "romantic" chemistry fans seem to spot in Sherlock. Mrs. Hudson's assumptions may be the only evidence I see in favour of their relationship being something other than a friendship, and I think it's just clumsy writing on Moftiss' part.

I must say I would have nothing against its becoming canon if it weren't Sherlock Holmes we are talking about. This is one really unfortunate choice for romance. (well, and I would probably stop enjoying the show in like immediately, but that's more of my personal quirk).

IDK, sometimes I think that I could buy an interpretation where Holmes&Watson are in love, but that would require changing Holmes' characterization in a major way, and not in the way Sherlock has changed it. It needs to be a thoughtfully crafted thing, where their relationship is based on the authorial intent rather than on stupid no homo jokes.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen any difference between on-screen friendship chemistry and on-screen "romantic" chemistry fans seem to spot in Sherlock

Curious to know if you think you would see it differently if one of them was a woman?

(not attacking you just genuinely curious)

[dreemyweird]

Oh, no, that's a perfectly legitimate question. And the answer is no. As I see it, these supposed signs of romantic attraction are just as prominent in Elementary as they are in Sherlock. And I would never call Joan and Sherlock an item.

Now granted, there are shows where these same things between a man and a woman are meant to be romantic. And sometimes when I see them I just kind of go "omg no they are going to make them hook up??" But that's because it's statistically more likely, not because I perceive these gestures/sentiments as inherently non-platonic.

(note, though, that I'm talking about modern settings and non-traditional narratives created in the late 20th-early 21st century).

IMO it's ultimately a matter of what the author wants to say and whether they introduce other prominent plot devices that hint at a romance. Gestures of affection in themselves can never be a good indication of what kind of relationship is going on (unless they are also signs of sexual attraction, as in staring at the other's ass/boobs, groping, kissing on the mouth).

I actually wish we had more touchy-feely man&woman on-screen friendships where there would be all these supposedly telltale signs but the fact that it's a friendship would be made obvious with the help of plot/stylistic devices.