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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-04-22 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2667 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2667 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just going to say it: I think that bad habits like this one, and the no-black-characters-in-smut-ever thing, and all the related issues, come DIRECTLY out of the pressure to declare yourself NOT sexist, NOT racist, NOT homophobic, etc.

Because you are. Everyone is. We absorb racial and gender stereotypes from everything we're exposed to, starting at birth. There is NOBODY who does not have their culturally-conditioned version of this programming. Nobody, period, especially you.

So if you think that you escape that by just saying you're not prejudiced, and following a simple speech code, you're the equivalent of a dry drunk. You still have all the subconscious programming, you still have all the same stereotypes, you're just telling yourself you don't. And they'll come out every time, in little things like thinking "Oh, that guy's less macho, I bet he's gay" or "I just don't think the black guy's attractive, I think his white best friend has way more chemistry with the random villain who was in one episode" or whatever.

Stopping falling into these stupid, embarrassing habits starts with acknowledging that you ARE sexist. You ARE racist. You DO have a bunch of stereotypes and preconceived notions about people based on gender, sexuality, culture, and a ton of other things. Once you acknowledge the programming in yourself, you can see it, you can work with it, you can start to unlearn it.

When you're thinking some character is probably gay because he's thin, neat, and polite, you're acting on a stereotype. If you know you have that stereotype, you can stop and go "Wait... why do I think that?" If you tell yourself you're pure as the driven social justice, then you have no way of checking yourself, and we get another addition to the pile of oh-so-progressive fics and headcanons that bluntly reinforce every stupid, regressive stereotype you ever heard of.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
oh my god get over yourself.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Jeez.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Acknowledging your prejudices doesn't have any influence on your id, I don't think, and id is what's motivating a hell of a lot of the smut.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
no-black-characters-in-smut-ever thing

This is a thing? What the story with this one?

(Anonymous) 2014-04-22 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not literally a thing, but there is a definite tendency for black characters who would seem to be obvious slashbait to... not be. (e.g. why isn't there more Shawn/Gus, why isn't there more Tony/Rhodey, etc.)
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[personal profile] vethica 2014-04-22 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still baffled and annoyed at Turk/JD's relative nonexistence in fandom.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Ditto. I'm even more annoyed by the lack of Wes/Gunn and by extension the lack of Wes/Gunn/Cordelian in the Angel fandom. That entire second season was full of chemistry between all three of them, particularly Wes/Gunn.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm late, but me too! When I first started watching the show a couple seasons in, I figured there had to be a toooooon of fic for them. But no, it's all JD/Cox. I remember a couple people said it's because JD/Turk is already so blatant in canon that there's no reason for fic but since when is that a reason?

(Anonymous) 2014-04-24 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
This so much. (I'm not actually into that fandom, or fanfic for that matter. But I always assumed this would be THE go-to pairing...)

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
"fun" fact - for a while after IM 1, there were more tony/JARVIS stories over at AO3 than tony/rhodey.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Because if you make the black guy the bottom you are somehow demeaning him and if you use him as the top you can be accused of buying into a stereotype of aggressive black men. (paraphrased)
- I saw this on tumblr.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Then I guess he's a switch!
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[personal profile] rubbertea 2014-04-23 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
if holier-than-thou ever makes it to the dictionary, your comment will be cited as an example in every edition. i mean, jesus fucking christ on a banana truck, your horse is so high it's practically a giraffe.

AYRT

(Anonymous) 2014-04-23 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
You realize, of course, that I'll be stealing that giraffe line.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-04-23 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
also nicking the giraffe line omg