[ SECRET POST #2669 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2669 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[diet_poison]

I thought part of the reason it was popular was a combination of a story focusing on a sister-sister relationship, messages that love at first sight is dumb, and a main character (especially a lady) who could easily be interpreted as queer.

(Dang, I still have to see this movie. Yikes.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, people jump for allegories and allusions. I wonder if they'd be just as excited about actual queer people.

[diet_poison]

Do you mean actual queer characters, like, canon queer characters?

[sarillia]

Not just queer. A mental illness allegory is possible too which pulls in another demographic. I still relate more to Anna than Elsa though.

[diet_poison]

ooh, forgot about that bit. Yeah, I need to just see this movie myself haha

[(Anonymous)]

I really love this film, and most people I know love it as do their kids. Kids are watching it over and over, and asked for repeated cinema visits which accounted for its success. I really don't think any of the little kids who adore it would think of Elsa as a lesbian. It didn't even occur to me and it's not hinted at in the film at all.

It fanon and I think it's a bit insulting because the implication is that female characters have to have love interests. I think people relate to Elsa because she has struggled and been isolated, and she has a lot to overcome, children probably just go for the songs, but the sister relationship is also sweet.

Personally I was so pleased to see a leading character with no love interest at all, where it just wasn't relevant to the plot, and disappointed to read fandom secrets and realise people were ascribing sexuality to her, when it's just not an issue.

[diet_poison]

I find this comment a little bit confusing. Just because someone is sexual doesn't mean they she has to have a love interest, so why do you think "oh maybe she's a lesbian" mean "she has to have a girlfriend"? And you made a point about how people relate to her because of certain struggles she has; if people are relating to her because they read her as queer and that's helpful to them, I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

Basically, headcanoning her as queer does zero to take away from all the other things people got out of the movie. And it IS fanon/headcanon, which you do not have to accept or like, but other people might.

SPOILERS!

[(Anonymous)]

Don't get overexcited, it really IS quite mediocre, the OP is right... And not being a very musical person, I also found the songs were just OK, nothing to write home about.

Also, your mileage may vary, but there is NO sisterly relationship, more like a non-sisterly relationship, no femslash or slash undertones (even for viewers with slash goggles - like me!) at all. It's just that BOTH princesses do not get romantically linked to two generic heroes by the end of it. That's the whole of it, truly.

The whole point of the story is that they are complete strangers to each other - by the time they are adult, they have not seen each other for most of their lives...

And the underlying message is not about unrealistic love at first sight, though it does make that (excellent) point repeatedly (and in song as well).

No, unfortunately the main message of the movie is best shown by this clip of how Frozen should have ended (thus the spoilers warnings):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThvBNZdGcQ&t=0m45s

Personally I though that underlying message was downright nasty: if your kid is talented or intelligent, make her afraid of her talent and not work on improving and controlling it. Make her a willing prisoner, afraid to touch and love her family.

But if your kid is an irresponsible airhead, leave her free to do any stupid thing she wants, like say, falling in 'love' with the first man she meets...

Oh, and leave them to grow up entirely alone, without any reliable adult care, guidance and supervision or any education as far as I can tell: yes, that will turn out well for all concerned!