[ SECRET POST #2669 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2669 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[ill_omened]

"only the government can censor".

[insert that dumb xkcd comic here]

Shut, the fuck, up.

Jesus Christ, this is the most obnoxious tired argument from dictionary pedantics. And it's almost invariably by oppressed groups to dimiss an article or something getting pulled down because they're against it, without thinking of the broader implications.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[(Anonymous)]

Well they do kinda have a point: that's not the right word for the thing that we're talking about. I don't know what the right word is, and censorship is close, but it's not quite right (and also I think the concern about it comes from a rather different vein of thinking).

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[ill_omened]

It's exactly the right word though. The term has never solely encompassed governemntal control, instead being any controlling group or body.

It's only recently that people have decided to give it an incredibly narrow meaning, in much the same way I guess people have suddenly decided that racism only means power + prejudice.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[sarillia]

I think it's because it gets wrongly mixed into the (US) First Amendment arguments. That one really does only refer to the government and I think the people who start shouting that censorship only refers to the government are getting confused because they're so used to having the argument about the First Amendment.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair, you're right, it's not the exclusive meaning. Although I think it's the central meaning - I mean, the word does come from a literal political office. And I still think that the concerns are very different in the different cases, which is why I think it would be useful to regard them differently.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[ariakas]

By the xkcd comic is referring to people who are talking about their "right" to "freedom of speech" - i.e., Americans who mean the First Amendment. Which does only apply to the government.

Re: Non-Fandom rants

[ill_omened]

Right, but it's used outside that context to shut down any discussion, and demonstrating such a limiting approach. Because something isn't protected by the bill of rights doesn't mean it's acceptable or free from criticism.

If someone is saying the first amendment means you can't pull their article or offer them a platform, they are being pretty silly, but if they're arguing that the control of a media conglomerate is suppressing certain views the response shouldn't be "but the first amendment doesn't say it's wrong".