[ SECRET POST #2669 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2669 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How does "doesn't want the emotional responsibility of constantly providing support to people who have been in abusive situations" equate to "doesn't see Gothel as an abuser"?

OP's wording isn't what I would have said, but come on.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Not everyone can be that shoulder to lean on for that level of support, and not everyone wants to do that. It doesn't make them someone who refuses to believe Gothel is abusive.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

The wording the OP used sucked. A lot. It hand-waves away a lot of pain and lingering trauma for a hell of a lot of people. And in no way did I mean to imply the OP was obligated to "constantly provide support" when people shared their experiences.

I don't always, or all I'd do is provide support.

But a character like Gothel triggers a lot in a person (not me personally, I've been fortunate enough not to have someone like her in my life), it's how they view the narrative so of course their experience becomes part of the discussion they engage in. A certain amount of empathy for that isn't unreasonable.

So be a shoulder to cry on for random internet people? No one is saying that. Or, I'm not anyway. But the "cry moar" attitude towards people's real abuse? Not cool.

And honestly, how else can you view her character? Nearly everything she says to Rapunzel, everything she did to Rapunzel, screams abusive. So I'm genuinely curious about how a person might view the character otherwise.

God, I hope that all made sense.

[takaraikarin]

The OP said the character is their favorite villain, though? So I think they do see her as abusive, being a villain that she is.

[(Anonymous)]

That's one way of putting it, but with an awful lot of fans, liking a villain means trying to justify or make excuses for everything they do, or arguing that they really weren't that bad and other characters are just as terrible if not worse, or writing fic that gives them a tragic backstory and makes everything they do somebody else's fault.

[(Anonymous)]

Calling abusive pasts sob stories really doesn't reflect well on the OP. They aren't obligated to support people, but whining that people who were abused actually, you know, find an abusive character abusive and discuss that is kind of fucking gross.

[(Anonymous)]

If you want to share your abusive past you should go to Support Centre or somewhere which is not a discussion of an animated person. Yes, it is not a place where you should share your story. In this discussions it really looks like a sob story written just to make us pity their author. Why would they even think to post it there if not for this?
You are saying that I should respect feelings of other people. But why don't whey respect my feelings by involving me into a conversation I absolutely don't want to have? Comforting other people much less people I don't know is not a situation I wish to find myself and certainly not because of Disney villain.
OP, I shake your hand. I'm totally with you on this. Thanks for posting it here. I feel your pain.

[(Anonymous)]

You sound like a sociopath, TBH. I would post it because it's relevant to, I dunno, how I view the character? You know, something important to discussion??? It sounds more like you want people to listen to you and why you like the character, but people absolutely can't bring into the conversation why they like it (accurate portrayal of something they've been through, in some cases).

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if it is a quick mentioning it is totally ok. It is >1k of words stories I am talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. In a fandom context, no one cares. There are plenty of places (say GC here or anon comms or tumblr blogs) where you can complain about your issues. Bringing it to a fandom space is just self-involved and about seeking pity.

[arcadiaego]

doesn't want the emotional responsibility of constantly providing support to people who have been in abusive situations

The OP doesn't say any of that. Just that she's tired of sob stories.