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Movieverse!Loki was not abused and he was treated equally to Thor by both parents right up until the moment he turned evil. I hate abusive!Odin and bad brother!Thor interpretations.

The Doctor is not 12 separate people. I know there is a range of legitimate interpretations, though I personally lean more towards the same man just changing and growing interpretations. However, I dislike interpretations that go so far that they pretty much treat him like 12 separate people.

Thor is not an idiot. He doesn't understand human culture and he isn't a scientific genius the way Tony and Bruce are. Doesn't make him an idiot, and I hate interpretations that treat him that way. He's also not a hyperactive teenage. He's happy a lot and has a fairly optimistic viewpoint. But he doesn't exclaim every sentence. And he eats things besides poptarts.

Neither Harry nor Ron are idiots. They're just lazy. They aren't Hermione-smart, true, but the fact that they get okay grades in spite of slacking off and doing nothing says they are both on the smarter side. I think Harry's a bit smarter than Ron, but neither of them are stupid.

The Doctor is not 12 separate people.

You might not say that if you've seen The Five Doctors, OP. (I have no idea what they did for the 50th, so can't speak to that.)

They had three versions of the Doctor in the 50th. But they were all the same man at different points in his life. Is The Five Doctors different?

A little bit? IDK I can't compare (and think they should have had all the Doctors in the 50th, that's why I boycotted it), but I do know Two and Three didn't get along, even when they didn't have to pretend they were enemies.

I don't think that makes them different people. I think that means that the Doctor changed when he became Three and doesn't like who he was as Two.

In The Three Doctors, Three says, of he and Two, "I am he and he is me." No, they don't get along very well, but they are the same person.

I can pretty much guarantee I'd punch my teenage self in the face if I ever met her. This doesn't mean I'm not the same person.

"Neither Harry nor Ron are idiots. They're just lazy. They aren't Hermione-smart, true, but the fact that they get okay grades in spite of slacking off and doing nothing says they are both on the smarter side. I think Harry's a bit smarter than Ron, but neither of them are stupid."

THANK. FUCKING. YOU.

I swear I get so sick of interpretations where Harry and Ron (especially Ron) are treated as hopeless idiots. I remember seeing this horrible fic where Hermione was just "the most precious perfect thing" and Ron was horrible and abused her. But what they didn't realize is, that by earlier saying that Ron was "stupid and a horrible wizard" it's kind of a backhanded insult to Hermione and her abilities.

But ugh. I swear so many people forget that about both of them.

"Movieverse!Loki was not abused and he was treated equally to Thor by both parents right up until the moment he turned evil. I hate abusive!Odin and bad brother!Thor interpretations."

I agree, partially though. I don't doubt that they were both treated fairly by Odin, and it seemed as if Loki and Thor were good brothers to each other, but I don't think that Odin was not without preference. I get the feeling that Thor was Odin's favorite and Loki was Frigga's favorite. It happens in a lot of families, the oldest one/preferred one usually the point of comparison, and oft times, the other sibling may feel like they can't do enough to please the parent they don't get preferred treatment from.
Again, this doesn't mean I think Thor was an asshole to Loki nor that Odin gave no shits about Loki, I just think Loki never got the same approval, looks of admiration, "pat on the back", that Thor did, and that might have been what he wanted. I wish Frigga's love would have been enough.

Excuse the ramble, I just think it's an interesting topic.

I was going to say just that. I don't read the comics, but the movies strongly imply a non-abusive but distinct favoritism with Odin preferring Thor and Frigga preferring Loki. And while I'm not on board with the whole poor, abused, Woobie-Loki interpretation, watching the extra feature "A Brother's Journey" (or w/e it was called) on the Dark World BluRay told me that Marvel is banking on the vulnerability that Hiddleston brings to Loki's character and are not above playing it up.

My thoughts on Loki' and Thor's childhood is pretty similar, especially in light of Loki not being Odin's biological son. I also think that Thor and Loki had different needs that got treated with a bit of a blanket approach, at least by Odin. I think Frigga was probably better about giving each son what he individually needed. Children, especially clever ones, pick up on that stuff.

Where I think Odin really screwed up was in not telling Loki he was an adopted frost giant. Every adopted person I've known has said they were happier knowing, and would probably have flipped out discovering it as an adult.

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