[ SECRET POST #2678 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2678 ⌋

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Comments

[diet_poison]

the s!b was puzzling to me too. I thought atheism was popular in fandom.

[forgottenjester]

I thought so too...

[(Anonymous)]

Until a couple of years ago it was. Now the fashion is for preaching. I'm guessing all the kids of the 90s hippies are starting to come online in their own right and are rebelling against their permissive parents by being hardline little jerks.

[forgottenjester]

Where do you go on the internet? Because I don't see this. I'm curious.

[(Anonymous)]

I am curious, as well. I mean, most places I go online, atheism is the thing that is cheered and religion/spirituality jeered... and this is *even on religious sites.* Seriously, I like reading blogs on Patheos and stick mostly to the Progressive Christian section and the comments, by and large, seem to be "look, the atheists have wandered in to tell even the progressive Christians how to be Christians and/or that they are idiots for not going 'all the way."

The only place I've seen a fair amount of preaching or where it gets equalized is one fandom board I go to. It seemed to be a fad for a while for the board devout-Christians to put up scriptures in their signiatures and the board ardent-atheists to counter with quotes by the prominent godless. It seems to have died. I always used my sig to advertise my fics and art, myself.

[(Anonymous)]

Seems to me that people have abandoned traditional forms of religion and have turned whatever philosophy or cause they happen to espouse into de facto religions instead, whether that's their political party of choice, atheism, social justice, you name it. Not an improvement, as far as I can see.

[(Anonymous)]

lol no

the vast majority of the internet is still atheist

there's just been a backlash against the embarassingly stupid ones who flail around blindly attacking "Evil Religion" as if it, and all religious people, are some kind of monolith

sheeple amirite?

[(Anonymous)]

A significant number of the people criticizing a certain tendency within atheism are themselves atheists. It is not fundamentally about being religious; it is fundamentally about disagreeing with a lot of their arguments, and disliking the way those arguments are made.

[beverlykatz]

Really? I'm curious as to the places you've seen this, because I haven't seen anything like that in my areas of fandom. Religion is very much dismissed for the most part.

[ill_omened]

The social justice side (or whatever your favoruite descriptor for that part of fandom is) hate it. It represents so many things they disagree with, and given their rise in prominence and the degree to which they make their complaints heard, the balance has certainly shifted in the last five to ten years.

[diet_poison]

The social justice side also seems to dislike religion, so that's weird.

[ill_omened]

They love woo, and if it's part of your culture.

You're right that they're not super big on say mainstream Christianity (except if it's 'empowering' to you as an oppressed person).

Going back to atheism, they really don't like absolute truths though, which atheism pretty much embodies. It's one of those things which isn't open to debate or changing your frame of reference as an idea, and pretty much all the biggest proponents are middleclass straight white men.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd actually say that lot of the SJWs I've come across have been very opposed to Christianity, since it's a dominant conservative force in American culture.

The vast majority of them are atheists, but they dislike atheists like Richard Dawkins, because of the opinions he holds.

There are some of them who are into the "woo" side of things as well, as you put it. Paganism, wicca, etcetera.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you are right that a lot of people dislike the idea that atheism is the absolute truth.

But it's not because of SJW stuff.

It's because that's a stupid fucking idea.

[ill_omened]

Nah.

You seem to be misreading me. Atheism as a belief leaves little to no room for negotiation in its assertion of an absolute truth. "I do not believe there are any gods" is clear no matter out hard you try to couch it in "but that's like just my opinion man, you are free to think whatever you want, etc etc".

It doesn't give you the room for pretending both your and my views are true that something like agnosticism does.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah.

Well, I still think you're wrong - partly because this isn't the part of atheism that people seem to object to, but also because the vast majority of religions also make these kinds of claims to absolute truth. If that was the issue, they should object as heartily to religion.

[(Anonymous)]

Agnosticism and atheism are not aligned against each other - you can be an atheistic agnostic, just like you can be an atheistic gnostic. You can be a Christian agnostic, even.

The short and the long of this stick is that if you're not at least a little agnostic (i.e. acknowledging the absolute truth that neither religious nor anti-religious positions are provable), you just come across as a bit of a dick, and people dislike that. Both in religious people and in atheists.

This extreme position is more present on the internet in atheists than in religious people, which is why atheists get more flack for it.

[(Anonymous)]

Um. They don't like absolute truths? Since when? They've got a ton of their own 'absolute truths' they proclaim and defend and declare anyone who disagrees with them a heretic. They just happen to be 'absolute truths' pertaining to their particular issues rather than the existence of God or other things relevant to the interests of middle class straight white men.

[(Anonymous)]

Not in my part of fandom, and not in my part of the world.

Have you tried talking to people who aren't American?

[(Anonymous)]

lol, boy are you talking to the right person if you want someone who shares your anti-American vendetta, anon