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⌈ Secret Post #2693 ⌋

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Comments

[diet_poison]

Expecting mentally ill people to control themselves is stupid.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic, based on the rest of your comment. I mean, really??

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, really. As a person who's psychotic, when I'm having an episode it doesn't matter that people tell me demons aren't real, my roomamate isn't trying to kill me and aliens aren't trying to intercept my thoughts. I can't reason my symptoms away if I try hard enough. The same goes for any mental illness.

[sarillia]

I don't know about every mental illness. I've had delusions like that that I couldn't shake off, but I've also had intrusive thoughts that I really was able to reason myself out of. In fact a lot of therapy is built around learning to rewrite those thoughts.

[(Anonymous)]

The reason therapy is so expensive and done by qualified professionals is because it's not so easy that a person can do it all by themselves in a manner of minutes if they so wish. And that's how long a typical conversation on the internet takes before dissolving into a wank, because someone whose illness impairs their social skills says something stupid and is unable to understand what it was.

[sarillia]

I never said it wasn't a difficult and long process. But you claimed it was impossible for all mental illnesses (if you are the anon I replied to).

[(Anonymous)]

Not in a matter of minutes, but it's certainly possible to do a lot of it on your own. I couldn't afford therapy for a long time, so I just got myself a few books on cognitive behavioral therapy and started teaching myself how to do it to help my OCD. You essentially have to learn to rewire your thought patterns, and it isn't easy and it takes a long time, but it is possible to do it yourself.

[feotakahari]

Any website needs to have some behavior rules to prevent abuse, and it needs to ban people who can't follow the rules. It sucks if you're not in a mental state to follow them, but there's really no way around it. (I remember a poster on TV Tropes who was really nice, really likable, and occasionally had episodes where she would PM someone and tell her she wanted to skin her and wear her. She wound up being banned for the sake of the person she was PMing.)

[(Anonymous)]

As I said in my original comment, no one should be forced to deal with mentally ill people causing trouble. I'm only opposed to mocking them, or telling them that they're awful people and should learn to control themselves, when it's clear that they can't. Banning is the best solution.

[(Anonymous)]

No, not just any mental illness. You're describing a pretty severe one.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's why when you have a mental illness that interferes with your ability to function to that extent, you need to seek treatment for it.

It's not that I expect all people with severely impairing mental illnesses to seek treatment. But if someone has a mental illness that severely impairs their ability to interact with others in the form of them actively causing harm to other people, and they also aren't seeking treatment (whether by choice or as an effect of their illness), then I'm sure as heck going to try to put as much distance between me and that person as possible. And if the person makes it impossible for me to gain that distance then I would seek help from people who can make them do so (i.e. the authorities).

[(Anonymous)]

That may be true, but do you know what I do when my thought patterns go off the deep end?

GET OFF THE INTERNET!

Because I know I'm not rational and I'll just make an ass of myself. THAT is taking control.

Expecting mentally ill people to control themselves is stupid.

I don't think asking someone to try and mitigate the effects of their condition on others is stupid. If someone has no interest in even trying to do so, that's on them. (And this is from someone known to openly say "I know this isn't rational or logical, but this is how I feel right now." Those who know me, know what that means and can choose to stay or go.)

Control isn't an all or nothing thing.

[diet_poison]

How is that even a little bit comparable to, say, Asperger's???

[diet_poison]

I dunno, I think many people on the spectrum do care, they just don't always know how to go about it well. There's a difference between having trouble with social cues, and believing in all sincerity, even for a short time, that demons are speaking to you.

More to the point, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that people with mental illnesses but a regular level of intelligence learn to control themselves if they want to take part in social interactions. Yes, there is room for understanding, abso-fucking-lutely. But you don't get to use it as a crutch.

[(Anonymous)]

Autism is not a mental illness and you are being extremely offensive to suggest it is - as if one can somehow "recover".

[(Anonymous)]

...that's not what mental illness means, anon

you don't "recover" from most of them either

[(Anonymous)]

People don't recover from mental illness, anon. Someone who's mentally ill can learn to manage his/her illness, but s/he'll always have it.

Please learn what terms mean before getting offended by them.

[diet_poison]

Exactly nothing. Did you misread my comment? People who are mentally ill but NOT cognitively impaired, which generally includes the group of people were talking about, can be expected to learn to control themselves as adults.