[ SECRET POST #2699 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2699 ⌋

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Bit early today, sorry!

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Comments

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing mentioned was male entitlement cliches. No one mentioned feminism, or MRA, or anti-feminism but you.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

True. You are right about that and I was wrong. But people in general have started talking about it in those terms. And framing it as a crime that's fundamentally about male entitlement moves it into that territory, and talking about the various subcultures around the dude moves it further into it. I think that's where I was coming from.

Listen, I'm not saying that it had nothing to do with entitlement, I'm just not sure that it was fundamentally about that - that talking about that as the sole motivating principle or the origin behind what he did was accurate.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

da

Yeah, OP's post was worded kind of obnoxiously to me, like she was trying to shoehorn in gender/feminist commentary about a very recent disturbing crime by a very disturbed individual.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

You're trying to shoehorn in a feminism argument where none was made. Try harder, radfemanon!

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

err... what?

op, you crazy.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

Ignoring that issue and trying to blame something else-something that can't be dealt with undermines what happened. Sweeping his view under the rug and saying he was just 'crazy' isn't going to help anyone. He wasn't talking about hearing voices or being afraid of human touch. He wanted women to die because he was a virgin and it was women's fault. These are his words, these are his stated motives. Hell, the whole speech sounds scripted-like he pre-wrote it. This was a premeditated thing.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not trying to diminish that. I'm arguing more over emphasis than anything else. I would say he wanted women to die because he was a virgin and he had made that women's fault. Not because society at large is misogynist. Because he chose to take on an ideology that actively blamed women for his specific unhappiness. An ideology which, yes, grew out of a misogynistic society, but which is something distinct from it.

And I know you're about to say that you never said that it was because society at large is misogynistic, and I acknowledge that. But I think that talking about this as something in a grand pattern of male entitlement implicitly frames it in those terms. And I think it's a more specific, smaller pattern of a specific kind of male entitlement.

Re: The California Shootings

[diet_poison]

in seriousness, I do not see the distinction. Culture is made up of the people within it. One person's views, if they spring directly out of that culture, are just another manifestation of it.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say it was more than that. He wasn't just misogynistic, he was unbearably racist, too. He pestered his mother constantly to marry a rich man, despite her aversion to marriage, because he felt he deserved a better life. He felt he deserved to be a millionaire, to have a hot 'blonde' girlfriend, all because he existed. He thought he was 'magnificent', and that he should have everything he wanted because of it.

It's not just blaming other people for his issues, it's a huge case of entitlement. From how he talks about non-white people, calling them lowreclass and ugly just because they're not white, to refusing to get a regular retail job because it was 'beneath him', to stalking couples and throwing things at them. I'd say it came more from entitlement culture than mental illness, thought he most certain had one. He was a sick, sick individual.

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[(Anonymous)]

I've been going through this and I just hit the part where he says women are simple minded animals, and that in a civilized society they should be raped. Because they are 'incapable' of choosing who they 'mate' with, that choice should go to 'civilized men' like him. Pretty sure misogyny is a bigger issue here than you're giving it credit for.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

He wasn't talking about hearing voices or being afraid of human touch.

Please increase your knowledge of mental illness before you talk about that thing you think you mean when you talk about being "crazy."

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

You suck.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

But if you look at pretty much every single mass shooter in the past, they've had the exact same pattern of blaming everything that was wrong in their life (or that they believed was wrong) on someone else. It wasn't THEIR fault that their life wasn't going the way they wanted it to, it was someone else's.

In that sense, it's really no different than things like Columbine. He just happened to put the blame for his unhappiness on women as opposed to classmates or coworkers or whatever.

Re: The California Shootings

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I just hang around 4chan too much, but I've seen his line of thinking from other people there. A staggering amount of people. Hell, he was part of a site that basically egged him on/is praising him as a hero for what he did. Things like that, that culture, it doesn't exist in a vacuum.