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⌈ Secret Post #2701 ⌋

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[The Almighty Johnsons]

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[X-Men Evolution]

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[The Dreaming Machine]

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[Parasol Protectorate]

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[Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Interview with the Vampire]

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[Marvel Disc Wars: The Avengers]

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[Orphan Black]

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[Team Fortress 2]

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[Severus Snape, Gerard Way]

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[Neil Patrick Harris/Ramin Karimloo (Les Misérables/Hedwig and the Angry Inch)]

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[Gakuen babysitters]

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[The Walking Dead Game]

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[Billie Piper, Penny Dreadful]

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[Sherlock]

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No, it's not even on the "far far end." It's a particularly ugly intersection of ideology and illness.

Exactly. I think a lot of people who commit crimes against certain groups probably ARE mentally ill; it still came from someplace. That's the problem, and that's what women on twitter and Facebook are trying to combat.

I'm having a bad day at this because I've been told (and not on tumblr) that anyone who's been in treatment for longer than a few years should be on the same watchlist as convicted felons, people with outstanding arrest warrants, and people with restraining orders due to domestic violence.

Which, I'll agree that perhaps there should be a better warning system when it comes to serious threats of harm to self and others, with perhaps an alternative to hospitalization of a temporary order preventing firearm purchases. That wouldn't have helped in Lanza's case, but it might have in Rodger's case. But barring testimony of such a threat, I want my medical privacy protected by the full force of federal law.

Rodger seems to have inspired at least one copycat which doesn't strike me as a mental illness problem at all.

that anyone who's been in treatment for longer than a few years should be on the same watchlist as convicted felons

In what kind of treatment and for what? We don't even know what the guy had, and he wasn't on meds. So anyone who's been in therapy for longer than a few years? That's ridiculous. Not everyone who's in therapy even has any type of mental illness.

Rodger seems to have inspired at least one copycat which doesn't strike me as a mental illness problem at all.

Really? Why else would you copy something like that? For someone who's as unstable as he was, it's just the inspiration they need.

Not everyone who engages in ideological violence has a history of mental illness. Sometimes, they're just thugs.

Really? Wouldn't you have to be at least sociopathic to be okay with going to a crowded place and shooting as many people as possible? I really don't think a mentally stable person would go out and plan on killing people unless they have some kind of empathy disorder.

No, because there's a whole thing of human beings rationalizing those actions in terms of political martyrdom, honor, or justifiable homicide in war. Far from being irrational and disordered, they are highly rational and driven by a wrong sense of justice.

Ok, I see where you're coming from. But I think situations like that arise more from toxic cultures that perpetuate those kinds of values. idk about other places but most mass shootings in the US have come from people who had serious mental issues.

I think we do have a toxic culture that perpetuates those values, as witnessed by the fact that paranoid schizophrenia, murder-suicide, and "death-by-cop" are disproportionately American problems. Mental illness is, in part, socially constructed. There's no mental illness daemon which says, "kill your roommates and shoot up a sorority." A mental illness may jack up the emotions (there's nothing like waking up in the morning scared of nothing) or reduce inhibitions, but it doesn't usually point the finger.

I'm a little bit confused now by your point. Are you arguing about whether mental illnesses cause problems like this, or how?

Both actually. Mental illness isn't necessary (see Eric Rudolph as a key counter-example) and it's not an explanatory cause. Even in the United States, the primary correlation between mental illness and crime is that people with mental illnesses are disproportionately victims, not disproportionately perpetrators.

I'd say Rudolph is a case of someone who was exposed to toxic culture. Also, I'm not sure that he definitively wasn't mentally ill.

the primary correlation between mental illness and crime is that people with mental illnesses are disproportionately victims, not disproportionately perpetrators

This is true, but it's beside the point. When looking at the pool of perpetrators, what unifies them?

Mental illness is a very, very broad concept with a variety of variables. The vast majority of people who are mentally ill will never commit an atrocious crime. It's certain kinds of mental illness combined with other factors that can set off something like this, I think.

You uhhh don't understand how copycat killers work. It is probably someone who has a mental illness (probably some depression, maybe bullied) and has found someone who they identify with. OR someone who is going it because they want the "glory" Rodger has. Either way, you have to know there is something wrong with that.

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