[ SECRET POST #2701 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2701 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Almighty Johnsons]


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03.
[X-Men Evolution]


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04.
[The Dreaming Machine]


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05.
[Parasol Protectorate]


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06.
[Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Interview with the Vampire]


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07.
[Marvel Disc Wars: The Avengers]


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08.
[Orphan Black]


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09.
[Team Fortress 2]


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10.
[Severus Snape, Gerard Way]


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11.
[Neil Patrick Harris/Ramin Karimloo (Les Misérables/Hedwig and the Angry Inch)]


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12.
[Gakuen babysitters]


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13.
[The Walking Dead Game]


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14.
[Billie Piper, Penny Dreadful]


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15.
[Sherlock]












Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

I had to uninstall Twitter this weekend. Serial killing is a sad affair all around. I am not liking the PUA will all eventually do this coming from my feminist circles. I would chock some of it up to just the sheer anger against someone who attempted to murder a sorority because they didn't find him attractive which is reprehensible. If you read any of the dude's stuff, he had a severe empathy disorder. Your average dudebro does not monologue about the inferior races taking all his white women. The whole thing was like a very angry 14 year old who was bullied. Except it wasn't fixed and he went to adulthood with that stuff.

Then the mental illness community has been like "PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS DON'T DO THESE THINGS STOP BLAMING IT ON US". When obviously mental illness is a fucking continuum and that kind of shit is on the far far end. The whole idea that various camps can weigh in at a second with amateur interpretations is very annoying and upsetting. The whole thing has been upsetting.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

I hear you.

The whole thing was a combination of issues and people simplifying it to fit their worldview and springboard their political views without actually giving a damn about the victims is disgusting.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Reddit was so so so so so so so SOOOOOO much worse than this.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but what's even the point of mentioning Reddit?

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

People complaining about being virgins, that the girls deserved it for denying sex, or whatever you saw on whatever scuzzy Reddit subreddits you went to is still using this tragedy as means to springboard their political views and simplify the issues to fit their worldview without actually giving a damn about the victims.

*BAM*

Re: 'mra' shooter

[mekkio]

This guy was not your average dudebro at all. If a woman had paid attention to Rodger he would have been like, "Nope. Not good enough. That guy over there has two girls paying attention to him. I should have ALL THE WOMEN BECAUSE IT IS MY BIRTHRIGHT!" As much as he said he wasn't sex, it seemed he didn't want to have sex for sex sake (reading his manifesto, he never talked about being sexually aroused the way people would say. It seemed he didn't really have a sex drive.) He just wanted sex because the popular people were doing it. It was a status symbol. A dudebro would be happy to have a girlfriend. Most of the time, they would shut up and go away if they had one. This guy wouldn't. He would make a tally of how many women talked to him like they was tally up points during a game of Scrabble.

He was a real life Patrick Bateman. Rodgers was an American Psycho.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[ariakas]

Yeah, he didn't want a "woman" - like most dudes who complain about "women" not liking them or paying attention to them, he wanted a hot woman. Specifically, a hot sorority blonde. He was looking for a status symbol, not companionship. A commodity that he was "owed" by behaving in a certain way - like a "gentleman", as he put it.

Like the dude who shot up the women's gym, who specifically wanted a hot, younger woman. He wasn't bad-looking either. If he'd just put up a dating profile and gone for women his own age in his own league, he would have had scores of dates. But the women he wanted didn't want him. Too fucking bad bro. That's life. If you think all other women are unworthy and you only want the "best" ones, why does it surprise you when the best ones only want the "best" guys?

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Everything was about status to him - the fact that he described items he owned as stuff like "my $300 dollar Prada sweater I got from Neiman Marcus" or whatever, the fact that he insisted his mother buy him a new BMW because the one he had wasn't "good enough," and on and on. In his mind, having hot blonde girlfriends was another check mark on the list of status symbols he had or wanted.

I think he fixated on that in particular because that was the one thing his shitloads of money couldn't buy.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he was a ticking time bomb, and there was little that could be done to prevent this, except maybe make him take the medicine he was given.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

I think his obsession with blonde women actually came from his first crush, who was blonde. I feel so bad for her, her father said she was devastated about it and she couldn't even remember the guy, aside from him being a 'weird kid'.

Yes, the mental illness was there. But he was also rich and had access to the best healthcare. The guy had tons of psychiatrists. The MRA bullshit WAS a part of what happened. Not the only thing, but a part, and to say it was just mental illness is extremely scary. Because the fact of the matter is, is that his views are shared but thousands of other men. It doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

The "He did it because he was MRA" excuse is bullshit considering that 1) the majority of his victims were men. 2) he blamed EVERYONE for the "injustices" of his life. Not just women but men as well. He even had a plan to murder his ten year old brother because he thought that it was an "injustice" that the kid was not socially awkward.

He hated the ENTIRE world. Men were not going to be spared in his hunt. And why did he hate the world because he thought everyone was out to get him. That everyone was putting him down on purpose. In short, he was mentally ill. He was taking medication for schizophrenia. You can't apply the same logic to your average dudebro as you would with this man. Your average dudebro is sane. He can be reason with even if it takes you awhile. And there's a good chance that he'll even grow out and grow up out of his thinking as he matures with age. This man could have not done the same thing because his brain was defective.

Stop comparing sane people with insane people. They work on two different levels of logic.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Like every ten posts on my Tumblr is, "MISOGYNY! MISOGYNY! DON'T SAY HE WAS MENTALLY ILL!!!!! HE KILLED SEVEN WOMEN! MISOGYNYYYYYYYY."

Both erasing the male victims and simplifying the fucking issue. And not doing any actual research. No seven women were not killed. And yes he had a mental illness. He was seeing multiple therapists. He was supposed to be taking medication but refused it.

And I can't even blacklist because most people don't tag it. Though I do have misogyny, feminism, misandry, and all of those other buzzwords. But does not help. : /

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Do people really have that wrong? Are they really saying there's only female victims? I really hate that side of tumblr. Fucking cesspool of shits that take anything that fits their worldview on face value. There's a post going around about a girl being attacked by boys in school that is proven false but it still has over 200,000 reblogs. No one gives a shit to google.

Luckily the most people I follow have said about it is the "not all men." backlash. I end up seeing the worst stuff from people that follow me when I check their pages.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

It's really tricky, because on one hand we can't ignore the fact that normal PUA garbage people don't murder, and that the guy's instability was obviously a big factor in what he did. On the other hand, you can just tell that some of the people stressing his mental illness and that his targets were "arbitrary" because he was so crazy just don't want to even acknowledge the role societal sexism played in what he did, and are so annoyed to see people caring about misogyny that they feel compelled to downplay its role.

Everybody wants to extract attention for their own cause out of this whole mess really.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No, it's not even on the "far far end." It's a particularly ugly intersection of ideology and illness.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. I think a lot of people who commit crimes against certain groups probably ARE mentally ill; it still came from someplace. That's the problem, and that's what women on twitter and Facebook are trying to combat.

Slightly OT

[feotakahari]

I feel like there are at least three valid discussions that could have come out of this, and none of them are going to be had for different reasons. The one that is being had, over and over, is a detailed, almost salivating description of the exact circumstances of the killings. (Seriously, there was one where the headline was about how his parents had warned the police about him, and I thought it were going to talk about law enforcement's attempts to pick up potential threats and how they'd missed a genuine threat. Then it barely discussed it at all in favor of a play-by-play of who died how and how bloodily.)

Re: Slightly OT

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like there are at least three valid discussions that could have come out of this, and none of them are going to be had for different reasons.

SO MUCH THIS.

Re: Slightly OT

[(Anonymous)]

This. That's the one aspect of this, no matter what the talk of MRA, mental health, gun control, ect., that I wish the media would talk more about (I know CNN talked about it briefly yesterday amid all the feminism stuff, but the expert they had was like "Well the parents should have gone to court first and had him committed' - bullshit) The police really missed the boat on this one. I really seriously doubt they even looked at the YouTube vids they were told about. Because if they had, that might have been grounds alone for getting a warrant to search this guys apartment and perhaps finding the guns and writings this guy had (and maybe enough to get him involuntarily commited for a psych eval), no matter how 'charming' this guy was to the officer visiting him.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of see both sides. I have wondered if we're not taking someone's mental illness and applying it to something... else. At the same time, while I acknowledge he was mentally ill and this was an extreme reaction, what freaks me out is where it comes from, that rejecting a guy means we deserve certain responses. So yeah, some of us are speaking out. And I really hope no one on twitter thinks I'm just pandering or trivializing the issue.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

what freaks me out is where it comes from, that rejecting a guy means we deserve certain responses

Yeah I've seen this, admittedly from a sample size of one, but then, it only takes one, doesn't it?

AIUI the guy I know of stalked two (different) coworkers outside the workplace, but didn't murder or assault either of them (dunno why--didn't want to sh*t where he ate I guess), and he was never caught for murdering anyone. Still expect to see his name/face on the news one of these days though.

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

Can we stop with this? He mentioned many times on PUAhate that he wanted a war/revolution against feminism. The fucker wrote 140 pages of how women were inferior, evil, needed to be stripped of theirs right and forced into concentration camps where they are starved to death. Guess what, he totally was mentally ill. Tap dancing loony. But he was ALSO a severely racist, misogynistic psychopath. You can be both. And ignoring the other shit he was to say, "Nono, he was just crazy, NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS, NOTHING ELSE TO ADDRESS! WOMEN ARE TOTES SAFE FOREVER NOW!" is disgusting. You know how many people are calling this psychopath a fucking hero?

/rant

Re: 'mra' shooter

[diet_poison]

You know how many people are calling this psychopath a fucking hero?

Serious question: how many?

Re: 'mra' shooter

[(Anonymous)]

I'm annoyed that people have labeled him MRA.

PUAs and MRA are not exclusive. PUAs can be MRAS but many prominent MRAS are married men or Women. As far as I've heard he only frequented ANTI-PUA sites. Which seems to put him a level beyond anything I've come across.

We say Islam isn't responsible for it's fringe terrorists but we are quick to place all the blame on this guy for an ideology he didn't even ascribe to because it's 'close enough.'