[ SECRET POST #2726 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2726 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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12. [WARNING for rape, abuse, pedophilia, incest, ironically enough none of which OP warned for]



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14. [WARNING for suicide]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Back when I was young and impressionable, people used to tell me to kill myself all the time on the internet. Granted I deserved it. But i never gave it a second though, I mean, it was expected when trolling.

[diet_poison]

are you for real??

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This is common sense. Most of the time when someone on the Internet says "kill yourself", they don't mean it. They aren't encouraging suicide. They are using it as "fuck you, you're a stupid piece of shit". Cyberbullying is a serious topic. Trolls insulting people, not so much. If they bother you, just turn off the computer. It's not that difficult.

[(Anonymous)]

Except for the part where it doesn't always end there. For every ten idiotic little shits who use it as a "fuck you," there's that one that'll escalate it and escalate it.

[quirkytizzy]

I'd say this is a reasonable approach for people in their mid to late teens and up.

But it's unrealistic to expect a child - say 12 and under - to do the rational and reasonable thing when they are barely passed the point where you believe you can be a mermaid when you grow up.

And a huge chunk of bullied kids on the net are KIDS. Kids whom it's unfair to expect them to act as adults because they are....y'know, kids.

DA Obviously

[(Anonymous)]

well it fucking shouldn't be. What you're saying is idiotic and really honestly it just comes down to "let the internet trolls say whatever they want they don't really *mean* it of course and if you're hurt by what they say it's YOU who needs to change or get off the internet"

Stop being a selfish little shit. No you cannot just get away with saying whatever you want and then covering it with "oh but that just means "fuck you" or "you're stupid". I don't know which coddling adult in your life taught you that "it's okay to say whatever you want as long as you claim you don't really mean it like that" and "everyone else should change and stop being so senstive so you can keep doing the same thing" but no, you enormous maturity-stunted man/woman-child , you CANNOT just sit do whatever you want and then use "lol I'm trolling" to escape the consequences.

If you don't mean "kill yourself" DON'T FUCKING SAY IT.

I don't know what is so wrong with you that you cannot understand why it's not acceptable to tell people to kill themselves as a "joke" or "lol trolling!". I don't know what is wrong with you that you think that what you're saying is "just common sense"

Re: DA Obviously

[(Anonymous)]

"Go kill yourself". It's the new "Gay".

Re: DA Obviously

[diet_poison]

really not the same thing at all...

People with Autism Spectrum Disorder Take Things Literally ...

[(Anonymous)]

Colloquial language does not entirely match up with formal language. This means that some colloquial phrases can mean something entirely different from their formal meaning. Take the following couple of sentences by way of example:

He was a big butter and egg man who was out of his depth in the smoke until the woman threw him a lifeline. However, she was selling him a pup, proving that you should be wary of Greeks bearing gifts.

Unless you have a reasonable knowledge of both American and British slang, you might be forgiven for deciding that if those sentences mean anything at all, they concern someone working in dairy goods who someone got lost in a lot of smoke until a woman threw a rope to him and dragged him out. However, this woman, whom we assume must have been of Greek extraction, sold him a young dog. You might also suspect that the last phrase was racist about Greek people.

Now of course that is not what the sentences mean in colloquial language. A big butter and egg man is a derogatory phrase for someone who is successful in the provinces but hopelessly socially inept and unaware of the correct social protocols of big city living. ‘Out of his depth in the smoke’ means that he could not cope with living in the city, whilst being thrown a lifeline means that someone gave him help in overcoming his problems. Being sold a pup means that what at first appeared to be a good bargain is in reality a fraud, and the warning of Greeks bearing gifts, although originally about the Trojan horse, isn’t really about Greeks at all, but simply warns people to be wary of apparently generous gifts.
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Now everyone on this planet will occasionally get caught out by colloquial phrases and either will take them literally or will not understand them, or will make a guess at what they mean and get it wrong. For example, I for many a year thought that if someone was gunning for you they were supporting you. This was not the smartest of interpretations at school, as I can grimly recall.

However, there are two groups of people who are significantly affected by colloquialisms. The first are those learning a second language. They generally encounter the problem because they are taught a formal basic version of the language first. They then encounter the colloquial variants once they have mastered the basics. Although there may be short term embarrassments and misunderstandings, in the long run these will be overcome simply by learning more phrases.

The second group is people with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Here we encounter problems. It must be said at the outset that not all people with ASD will have a problem with colloquial phrases, but some will, and will find it difficult or impossible to overcome these problems except by rigorous rote learning, and this might be difficult or impossible for many.

Let me give you an example of the problems faced by someone with ASD. I was told this tale by someone who had the job of placing adults with high-functioning ASD into work. One of her star individuals was a woman who was a highly skilled accountant. She had been working for her new company for a couple of weeks when her line manager came up to her and said that she was so good she felt she could wrap her up in cotton wool and take her home with her. A couple of hours later firemen were having to take the door off a lavatory cubicle – the woman with ASD had locked herself in there, convinced that her line manager was a crazed lesbian who wanted to kidnap her and involve her in some bizarre fetish involving cotton wool.

Now this sounds fanciful but I have no reason to believe it did not happen just as described. And a large part of the problem is that a lot of colloquial phrases have a literal meaning that in formal language means something totally different. Okay, there are some phrases where you can more or less guess that something else is meant:

Hamlet without the prince [an event missing what should have been the most important thing or person]

Play Devil’s Advocate [deliberately adopt the opposite viewpoint]

But there are others where the phrase does sound logical just by itself:

Have a hair of the dog that bit you [drink more alcohol to recover from a hangover]

Hand on the torch [pass responsibility onto someone else]

Play by ear [do something unrehearsed]

The trouble is that there are a lot of these phrases in common usage. A few years ago, I wrote a book called ‘An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions’ (still in print if you are truly desperate for something to buy) and I compiled a list of colloquialisms that might be confusing. I do not claim the list is exhaustive and I found well over 5,000 of them. That does not include several hundred more that I have found since and that will go into the next edition (whenever that is). And there are many many more besides those. I have not, for example, included regional phrases like one of my personal favourites from the north-west of England – ‘if you wait for shoes, you’ll wait until clogs come in’ [meaning that you are too fussy in your choices, what you need will be gone and you will be left with something worse than you would have got if you had acted promptly]. Nor did I include colloquial uses of individual words, which are in the tens of thousands (just think of the uses of ‘gay’, ‘sad’, ‘mint’, for example). Many of us will learn these phrases as a matter of daily interaction with others. But not many people with ASD. Why is this?

I do not claim that there is a single definitive answer to this question, but instead it is likely to be a mixture of factors. Some will be more important in one person, some in another. The factors are likely to include the following:

(1) Generally people with ASD have problems with language and communication, full stop. If someone does not use much language then by definition they are also unlikely to be exposed to as much language and so they lack the practice in communicating that would expose them to colloquialisms.

(2) People with ASD are generally happier in formal structured situations. In other words, just the sorts of occasions when informal language is unlikely to be used. So again, they are denied practice.

(3) A lot of colloquial language involves the use of sarcasm. For example, the phrase ‘well that’s just great’ taken literally means high praise. But when was the last time you heard that phrase used in anything but a sarcastic tone? Again, people with ASD are poor are understanding sarcasm in particular and tone of voice in general.

(4) Neurotypical people are likely to make matters worse by avoiding colloquial language and jokes (another thing people with ASD are bad at understanding) in an effort to improve communication. Although this is well-meaning and at times desirable (e.g. the cotton wool example) there are other instances where this is denying people with ASD the chance to learn.

(5) The theory of mind. This merits a lengthy essay in itself, but basically, theory of mind argues that people with ASD lack the ability to recognise that other people think differently. So, because someone with ASD might take things literally, when they hear someone else say something like ‘I’m a real ball of fire after a couple of drinks’ they think this is literally true because the person with ASD only uses language literally.

Okay, you say, theory of mind might explain why person A misunderstands person B’s colloquialism because person A always uses language literally. BUT: it does not necessarily explain why person A always thinks literally in the first place. Well, actually, it does. The total explanation is a long one, but in essence, if a person has always lacked the ability to understand that other people think differently, then this could have led to a very restricted view of the world and the language used. If you then throw in the fact that people with ASD find themselves in situations where language use is restricted, it becomes clear that it’s unlikely this problem will rectify itself through practice.

So how do we solve this problem? I must stress that I am not a clinician, but to me (and indeed to a lot of therapists) the following seem to be sensible enough recommendations:

(1) We can’t solve this problem for everyone with ASD, or at least, not totally. Some people probably will never learn a particularly rich vocabulary.

(2) However, this is no excuse for giving up. Remember that a lot of people with ASD are in the same IQ range as neurotypical people.

(3) In conversing with someone with ASD, try to keep instructions and praise in literal terms. Use the most simple direct language appropriate to the person. Remember before you do this that a lot of people with ASD do not have a particularly strong problem with colloquial phrases, so try not to be patronising, either.

(4) In everyday talk, don’t avoid using colloquial phrases but make sure that the person with ASD understands and explain what the phrase means.

(5) Train the person with ASD in understanding the importance of tone, and of non-verbal communication in conversation.

But whatever you do, don’t give up. People with ASD can live perfectly happy lives and contribute to society. It is not a condition that dooms someone to [if you will pardon the colloquialism] taking a back seat.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah kids have never killed themselves over being told to kill themselves online.

Oh wait, they fucking have.

[diet_poison]

Wow, the old "if you're upset by rude behavior it's your fault! The rude people shouldn't have to change what they're doing, nope!" spiel.

And, of course, "rude" is the absolute least that kind of behavior can be. Often it's really malicious, and even if it's not, it can cause major damage. It's bullying, it's hostile, it harms people psychologically and can contribute to people attempting or succeeding at suicide (as others have said). It shows immense disrespect for human life and value, and it's not acceptable, I don't care if they're ~~just trolling~~.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with your points, but bullying it is not. Bullying is sustained harassment targeted towards an individual.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. Bullying describes a behavior, not its duration. And telling people that a certain experience isn't abusive enough to be taken seriously is reprehensible. Just don't.

[(Anonymous)]

I did I say it shouldn't be taken seriously? Nope.

Don't strawman my arguments pls.

[diet_poison]

Where is that line drawn? How sustained does it have to be before it becomes bullying? Is it less harmful or not harmful at all if it falls on the side you deem to be "harassment"?

Bullying, to me, is using intimidating and/or caustic and/or harmful behavior to exert control or power over another person and tear them down. It doesn't have to happen more than once to fit that bill.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you do not get to shit all over the floor and call it someone else's mess.

Your shit, your problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah? And I was 13 at the time and lived with an abusive mother. Once again the internet is NOT your safe place. If you can't take it, don't go there and stop annoying people with your "feels". Of course, it does NOT apply to actual suicidal people who are much rarer than the internet would lead you to believe.

[(Anonymous)]

Yo, it's my fucking internet connection, I pay for it, I'll use it when the hell I want. YOU go outside and play.

[diet_poison]

There's a middle ground between "not your safe space" and "let's all look the other way from abhorrent behavior", anon

actual suicidal people who are much rarer than the internet would lead you to believe.

Does it matter how rare they are? They exist; are you really willing to take the chance that your words might affect one of them deeply?

[(Anonymous)]

Let them be, they are beyond help. Anyone with a brain can understand that cyberbullying and one guy insulting you over an argument aren't the same. If I'm having a discussion here and someone is annoying me and insulting me, I just need to ignore them and stop checking for replies.

[quirkytizzy]

It's very strange to me when people talk about trolling as if it were an occupation. Something they punched in on a timeclock for, took a half hour lunch break, that sort of thing. I'm not sure if you trolled, anon, (my brain is very, very fuzzy at the moment, which will hopefully improve after I make dinner), but it's just odd to me how people talk about trolling.

[(Anonymous)]

Trolling is kind of a blanket word nowadays. It can mean just being harsh, honest or even cruel on the internet. Or just saying things when you know it's going to piss people off.

[diet_poison]

The latter, of course, being the original definition. Or something like that xD;

[riddian]

Hah, this comment made me giggle. I'm imagining office workers typing away, occasionally asking each other if a particular insult sounds good enough and going "Ugh, I have to put in overtime tonight. I've only been blocked three times so far. At least this will look good on my resume!"

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