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Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-13 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm mostly unsure whether something in one of my favorite fics IS this trope - it definitely involves rape and it definitely involves love, but I'm not sure if it fits into the description.

Character A and character B have been obsessed with each other for a couple of years, this is NOT presented as a good and healthy thing and the fic does portray them as both broken and fucked-up people. Character A is a masochist who has been fantasizing about character B hurting him and considers character B to pretty much own him, character B is a sadist who has been fantasizing about hurting character A, and has a ton of control issues and needs things to be Just So. (Canonically, character B IS extremely fucked up, mentally.)

Neither character knows this about the other - character B tends to keep pushing character A away, which is because a part of him is horrified by his own thoughts and he doesn't actually want to hurt character A, and which character A interprets as being because character B knows about character A's feelings and is disgusted by them. Both are essentially head over heels in love with each other.

Eventually, after character A kisses character B on impulse and because he thinks it's the last time he'll ever see him, they do realize, oh shit, we've been lusting over each other for years, let's do something about this. Cue sweet, consensual, and hot sexual activity, mostly oral sex, before falling asleep together.

Until character B wakes up after horrific nightmares, realizes that if he doesn't do something, he could lose character A, so he ties character A to the bed and rapes him (and it is rape, complete with character A begging him to stop at first). About halfway through, the tone changes and character A's begging for character B to stop starts turning into character A begging character B to keep going. The aftermath is... almost sweet, but neither really acknowledge that it was rape. This entire scene is from character B's perspective.

Next chapter is from character A's perspective, where he thinks back to the night before and is sort of... both horrified and not-horrified over what happens. He acknowledges that it was terrifying to begin with but also felt good in a masochistic kind of way, and still feels incredibly tender towards character B, both despite and because of what he did, character B is ashamed of his actions and keeps trying to force character A to leave so he won't hurt him, character A just wants to help character B and still wants to be with him, including wanting to be fucked (and hurt) by character B.

That story technically isn't finished, but there are side stories set afterwards where they are in a fairly happy (and kinky) relationship, they do genuinely love each other, and character B is STILL fucked up and has massive control issues and character A basically martyrs himself for it and is still trying to save character B (although he does make a point of telling character B that if he ever hits him in anger outside of the bedroom, he WILL leave).

Basically, tl;dr, character B rapes character A but character A ends up enjoying it and, later, acknowledges that it was terrifying and wrong of character B to do it but is okay with it (and more okay with it than character B) and still wants to pursue a sexual and romantic relationship with him. Story portrays both of them as being really fucked up, obsessive, and broken, and does NOT at all say that it's a healthy relationship, even if it does end up as a loving one.

Would you say this fits the category of 'rape is love'?

Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-14 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
>Story portrays both of them as being really fucked up, obsessive, and broken, and does NOT at all say that it's a healthy relationship
Hmm, not my thing then.

Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-14 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
What fic is this? I'm really curious

Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-14 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
http://archiveofourown.org/series/70876 , the parts I mentioned are the end of chapter 10 and most of 11 for the second story, and the sidestories are in that oneshot, the third one listed. Also, the author describes it as dub-con, although it is marked correctly as non-con in the warnings list (I would describe it as non-con).

It can be pretty dark (with the above part probably being the worst of it), but you sort of end up hoping that both characters end up happy despite how fucked up they are (and, uh, despite canon putting an end to that pretty quickly).

Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-14 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Wow, I actually really like this ship (haven't checked the tag in forever though). Thank you, I'll definitely take a look at it! It sounds like something I would be into

Re: Is "Rape is love" about rape or not?

(Anonymous) 2014-07-14 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
They're so ridiculously my OTP it's not funny <3 Normally I prefer, uh, a happier interpretation (in the interest of full disclosure, that's what I usually write - I have some of my own stuff up there, two oneshots, one of which is total crack, and a longer fic, and I have no idea why I'm still anon since I was talking about this ship longed on, like, today, other than it being an anon meme, but ah well), but this story is amazingly written. It's just got fantastic characterisation and writing and does a darker interp so WELL.