[ SECRET POST #2753 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2753 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think the term mainpain was created by fans who want to uphold the stereotypes that men should not show emotion without looking like they are upholding stereotypes.

[(Anonymous)]

It's kinda distressing how much fandom does this sort of thing.

[(Anonymous)]

IT IS DIFFERENT WHEN THEY DO IT!

[(Anonymous)]

That is the exact opposite of what "manpain" is.

Manpain usually refers to male characters who, despite any amount of constant terrible things they do, are portrayed positively by the canon and have all of their actions justified simply because they're sad and have sad backstories and that girl turned him down that one time.

It does not refer to male characters who show emotions.

See:
Any male villain main character in OUaT
Supernatural
Vampire Diaries
Basically a lot of things.

[(Anonymous)]

What? I have NEVER heard that definition of manpain. Manpain is what people call it when men have excessive or over the top emotional pain.

[(Anonymous)]

http://fanlore.org/wiki/Manpain

[(Anonymous)]

The closest part of that that is anything like your statement is " It is also used to excuse a range of behaviors that often include actions that would otherwise be read as unsympathetically selfish, anti-social or violent." Which has nothing to do with making a char seem positive.

[(Anonymous)]

Why can't it mean both?

Manpain is used almost exclusively in my fandom circles to describe the dudes that get their actions excused 24/7 because they have angst. (Meanwhile, the female love interests are the ones getting endless amounts of shit for showing emotion and upsetting the precious man.)

[kallanda_lee]

Yet, I have often heard it used for characters that actually suffer for genuine reasons. So I'm thinking that, even if that was the original meaning, it has moved way beyond that.

[(Anonymous)]

That's always going to happen in any situation, no matter what.

People use words that mean something completely different and then it becomes a hot mess. Re: basically any singular word used to describe a concept especially in fandom/social situations.

(Like trigger. And drabble.)

[kallanda_lee]

I have a special hateboner for the word "trigger" in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the definition I'm most familiar with.

[(Anonymous)]

I was under the impression the term "manpain" was about being dismissive of men in general, not saying men can't be emotional. I don't exactly use the term, but it seems to me it comes more from the "god, stop giving men attention/making everything about men" mindset than anything else.

(And that's not exactly a mindset I disagree with.)

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen it used that way. It's almost exclusively used as a form of criticism when writing makes something all about how something affects the man while ignoring the impact is has on the women in fandom circles.

It's especially prevalent in fandoms that have a loud majority of fans that stan male characters but spit endless vitriol at the female characters. In most of those cases a lot of those male characters in particular tend to have Much Angst and Sad Sobstories, or are even anti-heroes/villains, and are woobified up the wazoo. Hence, manpain.

The vampire diaries fandom and show is a perfect example of this.