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Don't knock it until you've tried it.

A huge part of the appeal is watching people work themselves into a tizzy over someone else's opinion. Like, who honestly cares that much over what another person believes to be true or not?

Through the power of an opinion that I'm not 100% serious about, I can control people's emotions. This is better than the Sims.

So... basically... you made a stupid argument in favor of a position that you actually believe.

"I'm stupid!!!!!111 I'M SAYING STUPID THINGS!"
"That was a pretty stupid thing you said."
"HA! FOOLED YOU ALL INTO BELIEVING THE STUPID THING I SAID WAS STUPID AND REACTING ACCORDINGLY!"
"Okay..."

It's not even like people freaked out! The worst you can say is that some people were overly earnest.

I honestly care that much about what people put in the ballot box. If you're not voting, say whatever the hell you want.

(Actually, if you live in one of those states where more than 60% of the vote goes to the same party year after year, say whatever the hell you want anyway.)

I care because we live in a country where people get to vote for policies influenced by those opinions and people are actually affected by those opinions. I mean, I would agree with you if this was another argument about Frozen, but do you really not see the difference here?

I can control people's emotions

Hahahah oh man it's me in high school. Have you read any Machiavelli? Or Nietzsche? You definitely should, and then you should quote them all the time. Everyone will be really impressed, boys will like you, and you'll get laid!

I took notes on Machiavelli. I think I still have them somewhere.

Lol yeah that sounds about right.

The difference is that Machiavelli was a brilliant historian and probably a genius, who wrote a book a satire so incisive it's still used unironically as a manual for the cynical pursuit of power--and you're drunk.

Machiavelli and Nietzsche are awesome though

when they're not being read by teenagers trying to be edgy

I have never met anyone who's read them for any other reason so I cannot confirm or deny your assertion.

I know that Nietzsche was a spectacularly misogynistic dickbag even for his time, though, so I have reason to doubt it.

Yeahhhhh. I think there are ways in which he was less misogynist than his time, and there are ways in which he was more, and there are ways in which he was of his time, and there are ways in which he was just a spectacularly weird individual in a lot of ways. He's also a writer where it's hard to track sometimes what he actually thinks about a given issue which can be frustrating. But he's also a really interesting critic of the views of his time, especially the moral and aesthetic views, and he has some fascinating thought experiment-type things and he can be surprisingly beautiful at times.

Machiavelli is just awesome if you're at all interested in Renaissance Italian history, or political theory, or republicanism, and if you're willing to look for something beyond "evil is badass" or "it's satire". Astonishingly clever.

Sure you have. They just haven't mentioned it because they read Nietzsche and Machiavelli for reasons other than being able to say they've read Nietzsche and Machiavelli.

To be fair, Machiavelli and Nietzsche read like teenagers trying to be edgy.

There is certainly an extent to which both of them are probably trying to be edgy, or at least shocking. Nietzsche in particular is v big into saying things that are patently ridiculous as an attempt to get you to think things through.

But I also think a lot of it is them being misread in that way.

I do think it's fair to consider whether they may be misread. Also, as I'm thinking about it, it occurs to me that their writings might just be very period-specific. And that leads me to wonder about the concept of timelessness, and whether it has any actual meaning.

I'll have to think more about this. To me, their ideas come across as being very simple when subjected to scrutiny, but it might be worth reevaluating where they were coming from.

It's likely there's also a thread of 'Tolkein is cliche' in there. They were both very influential writers in their schools, so there's been a lot of expanding on or arguing against what they have to say. They also both poked at some of the sacred cows of their day, which have since been taken out back and slaughtered, so the apparent simplicity of their ideas might be partly attributed to the change in social and philosophical framework

In my own defense, I'm a political science student. I'm literally going into a career that's all about analyzing people's beliefs and trying to sway them in particular directions. :P And given the number of otherwise reasonable people who have strangely conservative beliefs around me, I tend to take sudden politically conservative viewpoints seriously until proven otherwise.

I react much the same way. It's amazing what apparently clever people can believe by mistake outside their field of education, just because ~~they~~ we latched onto a silly idea and never corrected it. (I've done it myself, and I'm probably still doing it about something where I don't even know I'm doing it.)

For some fields, that's mostly harmless. If you don't really understand molecular biology, but you're not trying to practice medicine, we can largely let your ignorance slide.

On the other hand, most people should know something about nutrition, unless they're not responsible for anyone's diet including their own.

For a potential voter in a democracy, failing to understand basic demand-side macroeconomics is a potential serious problem. Granted, many voters vote for non-pocketbook reasons. But if people are repeating things like our troll here, that may be because they heard them from someone that is being found credible. And it's (sadly) close enough to things I've heard other persons of voting age say, and heard actual politicians say, that I have to assume there is a constituency for this sort of prejudice, that keeps electing politicians who will actively vote for demand-side-neglecting economic thinking. And then we get widespread poverty and depressions.

I considered that iceyred might be trolling, but she(?) stuck with it, so I decided to answer it as best I could.

And I think a lot of right-leaning people would benefit from reading Paul Krugman's works for the non-economist. He explains things in a way that makes many pundits look like incoherent jabberers in comparison.

Now that's an unpopular opinion!

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