[ SECRET POST #2770 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2770 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/MXs1xbs.png?1

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, canon debates can be major starters of wank to be sure. Although, I think a big problem is that something being canon doesn't necessarily mean it's well done or realistic. But I see what you mean about "canon being the inspiration." A lot of the fanon pairings I ship are because I genuinely see their canon friendship as being more loving than the canon romantic relationship involving other characters.

I imagine that's true for a lot of shippers. Ship and let ship though.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry all that discussion is making you feel bad, OP.

To be honest, I do this, because there's always someone ready to tell how you and other shippers are delusional about your ship being canon. I suppose it's a way of protecting your back, saying, oh no, I know it's not canon, but I still ship it.

On the bright side, all those people in your fandom more than likely are also thinking "yeah it's not canon and I still ship it, but YOU are also delusional if you think that'll make me stop shipping them."

[elaminator]

Yea, same. Sometimes I feel like if I don't bring up that I know the ship isn't canon people are going to judge me because "I'm delusion" or "I don't pay attention to canon", etc etc. I get not mentioning such a thing because (like an anon below said) yes, most everyone realizes that fact and it doesn't necessarily need to be repeated, but sometimes you want to make sure.

[cushlamochree]

The Internet ruins everything, part MCCLIV

[nan]

My mind automatically goes to Teen Wolf but this is true for all fandoms. :(

[(Anonymous)]

Just to add a bit to this (although I'm afraid it might start wank but it's still how I feel), I don't understand the point in saying, for example, a slash or femmeslash ship isn't canon. Of course it's not canon. We all KNOW that. We also know WHY. I just feel like it's a pointless thing to bring up. And, I'll admit, it grinds my gears a bit when shippers of a canon couple (always heterosexual) bring up canonicity as though it's supposed to prove a point.

Yes your ship is canon. That doesn't mean it's objectively good (you like it -- good for you, and I mean that sincerely), but that doesn't mean I have to like it or support it. I respect your right to ship it. I just don't agree with your perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

The reason prefacing has become necessary is the vocal minority is ruining what used to be a harmless past time for everyone. By insisting their ship is canon when it is demonstratedly not and then complaining loudly to the ptb that they're not writing the ship correctly - as has been done in both Teen Wolf and Supernatural to name two egregious examples - they make all shippers look like delusional head cases.

[sarillia]

Why do the regular shippers have to add a disclaimer instead of everyone remembering that it's a minority who doesn't realize it's not canon?

Actually, why does everyone care so much if they do think it's canon? So they're wrong. Argue with them if you enjoy that sort of thing or let them bask in their wrongness. I don't see how it affects anyone else.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I wish shippers wouldn't do that. But I think a lot of people don't want to come to terms with the fact that their ship will NEVER be canon. And that kind of sucks. Sometimes it's more fun to live in a delusion where you're happier. But you're right that it does tend to ruin the experience for the more level-headed shippers.

[(Anonymous)]

"Of course it's not canon. We all KNOW that."

I always get tricked by this in Free! fandom. Do they really???

[(Anonymous)]

+1 Absolutely fucking agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, this used to be me. I mean, I will still admit I don't understand certain non-canon ships, and in certain contexts I think it's fine to admit that, but I'm done with being negative towards other people over a stupid fandom ship.

I do have to ask though, does criticizing how that ship can be written count? Because I have certain pet peeves within certain ships, that I'd find annoying even if I did ship them.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I don't think criticizing HOW a ship is written (whether canon or fanon) is bad. Criticizing a ship for existing is what irritates me.

I think it's one thing to say, for example, that you think Draco and Hermione getting together (in a certain way) is nonsensical given that he's a pureblood supremacist. Having him totally fall in love with her for no reason in the sixth book and suddenly deciding he doesn't care about blood status is OOC.

A fic written post-7th book that has Draco examine his own beliefs, reject his parents' bigotry and eventually fall in love with Hermione, though, I think, has a lot of potential.

It's the execution that's the problem, I've usually found.

[(Anonymous)]

I always feel so weird about canon because I can't really decide my feelings on the matter.

The original author of one of my favorite works dropped some hints that my favorite ship (ship A) maybe could be canon (or at least was open to the idea).

But then, another person made a different couple canon (ship B). But given that they're NOT the original creator (they didn't create the characters) sometimes, I feel like that couple isn't legitimately canon (which feels really petty of me).

I don't know. I guess, part of me thinks, why should ship B be considered canon just because some random person supports it and it's backed by a corporation? It's just weird but I can't get over some of the things the original author said about ship A.

Anyway, I'm being too "SRS BSNS" about shipping.

[jaybie_jarrett]

I don't really give two shits whether some pairing is canon or not. As long as the shipper doesn't:

A.) Bash other characters for their ship
B.) Glorify an abusive relationship
C.) Make anyone act really OOC to make the ship happen

then I'm okay with it. I believe in having SOME respect for the canon and author (which is mostly don't be really obnoxious and bash the canon a lot in your fic and be all "my version is better") but I hate the idea that you HAVE to accept ,like or ship something because it is canon. In one of my fandom's there's this really OBNOXIOUS shipper of a canon ship who's all "X/Y is canon GET OVER IT" and assumes that everyone who disagrees is just "butthurt" or whatver. and I believe she's done hate art about other ships.

Just because it's canon doesn't mean I HAVE to like shit. Canon doesn't always mean the ship is well written or it works for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

I just wish people wouldn't presume that not liking a canon couple means you don't like the characters, because I've had that happen to me a lot. I don't like the way a certain relationship is written in canon and so I criticize it. Because I think it's badly written. That doesn't mean I think you're WRONG for liking it, just that it doesn't appeal to me as written. Nor does that mean that I hate any of the characters or think the idea of them together is unrealistic in principle.

Getting called "butthurt" "bitter" and "bigoted" over shipping just seems really over the top. We disagree about ships. That's all.

And +1 to your last sentence.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even know what my thoughts are on this "canon" topic anymore.

Of course, I get annoyed at fans claiming their non-canon ships are "so canon!!!" but that doesn't mean I think they're doing it wrong. They're having fun in their own way, and as long as they aren't bashing other pairings or hating on other fans, then there's no problem with it. Doesn't mean I don't get angry seeing it though. (Even for pairs I ship.)

Hmmmm, it's like, for example, when fans are telling their headcanons or ships or analyzing ship moments and crying "subtext", there's a difference between just doing it for fun/normal shippiness and claiming it's 100% truth/fact and people who disagree are wrong. It's those people I get pissed at, although it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes.

Point: Ship and let ship. People have their own preferences in ship dynamics and NOBODY IS WRONG.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Actually, saying that nobody is wrong is false.

They are wrong if they are ship bashers/shamers and call other people wrong for shipping ships that aren't their ship.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest, I can't say why but I find it really riles me up when people go overboard on the "it's so canon" jokes. To be clear, I have as many non-canon slash ships that I like as I do canon ships but something about "it's so canon" really starts annoying me. I'm trying to amend that and just get over it but it's like a pet piss-off.

[(Anonymous)]

I get other people getting frustrated, too, because sometimes you'll see people saying the most absurd things ("X is canon because of subtext, if you don't see it, you're [whatever]"). But I kind of feel that way about my non-canon ships, too. I'm aware they're not canon, I don't need a reminder.

Never involve actors in Ship Wars

[(Anonymous)]

Ship Wars are dumb enough to begin with and can get so unnecessarily nasty, but I'm also noticing an increasingly worrying trend of fans claiming actors as shippers. There was some nonsense in the Game of Thrones fandom recently because Nikolaj Coster-Waldau had been photographed with Gwendoline Christie at Comic Con. Jaime and Cersei shippers got annoyed about this saying that Nikolaj was Lena's man, and Gwen should stay away. It was all completely bonkers.

So yeah, don't do that.

Re: Never involve actors in Ship Wars

[(Anonymous)]

SA: I just realised that this post may seem out of place here, but we were talking about how dumb ship wars are, and I wanted to vent. Maybe I should make it a secret submission?

[(Anonymous)]

Blame the people who tar all shippers with the same brush just because of the extremists.

[(Anonymous)]

I got excited for a moment there, until I realized you weren't talking about the Tarverse :-(