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I think Israel is in the right, that Palestine will not stop until Israel is wiped out, and the only thing that can be done is fight back.

I also think the US media is skewing things Palestinian in a way that is shameful. There are no easy answers here -- even the one I provided has horrible sacrifice behind it. But the way Israel is being made into the Great Satan and you sheep are buying it disgusts me.

You almost had me. The 'sheep' thing was just a little too much. You'll get there though, just need to work on the subtlety. Keep on trying!

Troll 2/10.

I think both Hamas and Israel are fuckholes and I feel sorriest for Palestinian civilians.

Israel is justified in defending itself, but not at the expense of loads of civilian lives. Yeah, it's Hamas's fault for deliberately positioning their tunnels to use civilians as human shields to make Israel look as bad as possible, but just because Hamas did it on purpose doesn't make it okay for Israel to go "well THEY did it!" and keep bombing away.

Soooo....Israel should just sit back and let its civilians be bombed? You realize that's absurd, right?

And Palestine should sit back and let its citizens be starved and bulldozed out of their homes by a much more powerful country that wants their land and has no concern whatsoever for their welfare?

Don't forget having their water stolen from them too. Israel has been draining aquifers under Palestinian lands and piping it out to their own populations.

AYRT

The Palestinian people are the political prisoners of the terrorist group Hamas, which steals their aid and then sends out propaganda. Hamas tortures its own people in order to gain international sympathy. There is no good solution, but Israel can't sit on its hands and let them shoot rockets all day, either. If Israel had no concern for Palestinian welfare, it could easily carpet-bomb the Gaza strip into submission.

I'm fucking tired of that argument. If the Palestinian people are the political prisoners of the Hamas party, how are they not also the political prisoners of the Israeli hard right and the settler movement? If Israel can't sit on its hands and let them shoot rockets all day, why is Palestine expected to sit on its hands and let Israel invade them and let Israel settle and let Israel take from them? Why is everything that happens in Israel and Palestine a justification of why Israel has to be allowed to do whatever they want, and why Palestine doesn't have the right to do anything?

They're prisoners of both.

Probably the only reason Israel doesn't is because total genocide might very well lose them the remaining good will of the international community, and they'd be on their own. I doubt they'd hesitate if they knew they could get away with it, same as certain other countries wouldn't hesitate if they knew there'd be no retaliation for wiping Israel off the map.

ayrt

No, of course not. But Israel is going pretty far past reasonable defense. It's not like they're in a massive hurry and desperately need to bomb frantically as fast as possible. They can afford to take their time to make sure to take all precautions to nail the tunnels, and not hit UN schools and the like.

The only reason they need to cut corners and move as fast as they are is for political reasons -- to finish the war before the Israeli people get sick of it and it starts hurting the government's popularity. That's bullshit.

You are not alone.

Honestly, I think things would be far better, if we just went ahead and nuked the entire Middle East and executed every blasted last Islamic Muslim.

And Jew?

Really, the problem with that is you end up killing off all the religious minorities that Muslims have been persecuting all along. Islam is robust. It will come back. The Gnostic, Zoroastrian, Samaritan, Christian, Yazdanist, etc. communities may not be able to.

That said, the more belligerent form of politicized Islam (as opposed to ordinary religious Islam) is probably due for a loss about now. Somebody probably needs to actually crush ISIL, for example, and the wealthy supporters of the armies of fanatics need to be exposed, shamed, and shut down.

tbh I wonder at that. I mean, "annihilation of Israel" is in the frigging Hamas charter, which can be found online easily. hth are you supposed to negotiate with an enemy that wants to kill you all? Do you compromise on a 50% annihilation?

i'm fairly certain they took it out of the charter, actually. it's not in the charter anymore. but it used to be.

That's odd, I checked an online translation recently and did see that clause.
Though, even without it, they're not exactly shy about stating it in Arabic-language media... I mean wasn't the spokesperson of the Hamas even caught perpetuating blood libel? That's fucking medieval...

And what's in Likud's party charter? They want the "whole country of Israel," but they don't seem interested in making a deal for it. What does that even mean?

nobody in the Likud has ever publicly stated their intent to genocide, which the Hamas has. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove?
Also, Israel has made deals - for example, a one-sided ceding of land to the Palestinians, where they were given (among others) greenhouses, supplied with electricity, and encouraged to have democratic elections. It's called Gaza.
They elected the Hamas, which uses vast amounts of the money given to the Gazan population in humanitarian aid in order to buy rockets and build tunnels to Israel.
It is impossible to make a deal with an enemy who wants to annihilate you.
Whereas the state of Israel is democratic, and has Muslims and Arabs in all walks of life - doctors, teachers, professors, even judges on the supreme court. And yet Jews cannot safely walk in the streets of PA villages, much less go into Gaza, without being murdered.

nobody in the Likud has ever publicly stated their intent to genocide, which the Hamas has. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove?

I'm pretty sure Moshe Feiglin is a member of Likud? Unless I've missed something in the last couple days?

Also, Israel has made deals - for example, a one-sided ceding of land to the Palestinians, where they were given (among others) greenhouses, supplied with electricity, and encouraged to have democratic elections. It's called Gaza.

Israel did that, it's true. Unfortunately, Israel has also proven that it's unable to hold to those promises. The settlers will always keep encroaching on Palestinian land. The Israeli government has never shown any kind of commitment to stopping them, and until they do, it's impossible to take seriously any Israeli 'deal'.

It is impossible to make a deal with an enemy who wants to annihilate you.

Not everyone in Palestine or the Arab world wants to annihilate Israel. That's fucking ridiculous. A desire for the destruction of Israel is not the fundamental base characteristic of Palestinians or Arabs. Please try to see the world with a little bit of shades of grey.

I will add- the West's mistake is thinking that this is a conflict that can be solved by finger pointing, sitting down, and economic concessions. It's a battle of ideology and identity, and that's not something that can be easily solved.

Meanwhile, most pro-Palestinian rallies devolve into shrieking slogans of hate against Jews and Israel, saying Hitler was right, and calling for a genocide of the Jewish people. It really makes me wonder how the people who call themselves pro-Palestinian can claim to have the moral high ground.

If that's true - and I don't think it is - then the hard right of Israel and its ideology is just as much to blame as any Palestinian ideology, if not more so.

Meanwhile, most pro-Palestinian rallies devolve into shrieking slogans of hate against Jews and Israel, saying Hitler was right, and calling for a genocide of the Jewish people.

That's not true but whatever.

I also think the US media is skewing things Palestinian in a way that is shameful.

Yeah, I'm sure Israel is sobbing into their US-funded weaponry over a few talking heads bad-mouthing them, whilst the Palestinians, on the other hand, are totally benefiting from any of it.

I think part of the problem is that the entire world seems convinced that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is *the* big conflict of the Middle East. And that's not true at all. They are missing the complex movements that are happening in the Arab world and the Muslim countries, instead preferring to make a mountain out of the molehill on a tiny patch of land.
The biased reporting, which devotes so much time and attention to every minute movement in Israel, is misleading people into thinking that this is actually globally significant.

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