[ SECRET POST #2828 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2828 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Wakfu]


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03.
[rupaul's drag race]


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04.
[Law and Order: Criminal Intent]


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[3-2-1 Contact: The Time Team]


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06.
[Anna Popplewell, Reign]


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[The Strain]


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08.
[Justice League]


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09.
[Louisa May Alcott's Little Women]

















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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You could just as easily have James Potter be black or Asian (or his mother was, if you are determined to keep Potter as a white name, though I know a Jamaican family of Potters) and Lily Evans white - Harry was raised by Lily's family and specifically didn't have any cultural connection to his father's world.

[(Anonymous)]

But he's not.

Blackwashing characters is not cool.

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you tried at all.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but it's fun.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there's nothing in the books actually saying he's white... green eyes are pretty common in mixed-race people.

[(Anonymous)]

Except, oh, everything. He's British and white. Fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

In canon, sure. But there's nothing to say he can't be mixed race in fanon. (And I am certainly not saying he's not British, don't know where you got that from.)

[(Anonymous)]

OP

In fanon I have no problem with it, as long as the writer/artist deals with the ways things would be different for Harry if he were a POC. I just find it irritating when people try and claim it's a valid canon reading.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's implicit though. And other people have offered good reasons upthread why he is unavoidably white.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I agree it's implicit and I don't actually think Harry is mixed race in canon. I just don't see why it's such a big deal as fanon. There's no absolute contradiction to it!

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh I see. Well there really kind of is a contradiction if it's implicit. That aside though, I think people just get sick of this stuff. It's very prevalent on Tumblr and the attitude that usually accompanies it is quite... obnoxious? Wrong word but can't think of the right one right now.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really use Tumblr much, so I don't know about the attitudes there. But "implicit" doesn't mean "definitely so" - think of gay or bi characters who were generally thought to be straight before coming out, such as Willow on Buffy - and I think it's great that there's room to play.

[meadowphoenix]

...no. They gave good reasons why he is likely white, not unavoidably so.

Moreover, do y'all really think those Roman soldiers who settled in Britain didn't consist of the people of the territories Roman had conquered?

[(Anonymous)]

Two thousand to 1600 years ago. I doubt the bloodlines have been preserved such that a visibly black person in Britain owes anything to the Romans.

Reaching. Also desperate to show off a tidbit of knowledge, which we already knew thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. A much better idea would be to have James's parents (or just mother) to be more recent arrivals, or descendants of male Potters who went overseas with the British Empire. There's certainly students of Afro-Caribbean and South Asian origin at Hogwarts, so there's definite Imperial demographic influence there. I wonder what the interaction between British wizards and wizards of colonised countries were/are?

[meadowphoenix]

Lol, not really boo. But you're so desperate to say I'm "reaching" that you've lost the thread of the argument.

Let me help you. The notion that the Romans were the only settlers in Britain, afterward the "purity" of the people was preserved is hilarious. If Nordic countries have a noted Islamic presence, before and after the Romans, the likelihood of Britain being stalwart against outside influences is an untenable position. However, the presence of the Romans notes how long ago we have a record of such a settlement (which says nothing about unrecorded settlements). Also, you seem to be assuming that genetic presence a) doesn't hide, or b) there wasn't any non-white presence that could have married into the peverell clan (despite the fact that it is highly likely based on nomenclature that there was a peverell daughter who married someone else to get to the last name Potter, an occupational last name where occupations were open disproportionately on the non-white people brought/coming into England). I.e. it's perfectly possible a pureblood family could be desi, or black, or asian, it's just not likely what JKR meant.

But saying someone is "unavoidably" white defies the laws of statistics, as well as history.

I didn't think I would have to explain, but most people don't understand probability so.

[(Anonymous)]

He's white. Simply wishing for him to be otherwise doesn't change that fact. Sorry, snookums.

[meadowphoenix]

oh, you're not going to address anything? k.

[(Anonymous)]

Sigh, they are white, just... get over it.

[meadowphoenix]

or what?

[(Anonymous)]

how could nordic countries have an islamic presence before the Romans, when Islam didn't exist when Romans were a thing?

I don't even get your argument. you're saying it's "perfectly possible" because people travel or what?

or is this like a 'medievalpoc' thing?

[meadowphoenix]

What I'm saying is that if physicists know that throwing something at the wall doesn't guarantee anything other than the likelihood that that thing will hit the wall, then saying a race is unavoidable is obviously bullshit. There's no such thing as certainty; y'all idiots need to stop applying non-existent certainty to race.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you ought to stop playing historian, when you're clearly not studied in history. Of course anything is "remotely" possible, that doesn't mean it's likely enough to entertain as a theory until we actually have some evidence in this discussion.

and the name-calling, c'mon.

[meadowphoenix]

I do indeed find it idiotic that people are so married to a theory that is mostly based on bias yes. Not sorry.

As for playing historian, i have the evidence i need to suggest such a thing is possible rather than "unavoidable". (Moreover, in universe, what are y'all going to do about Blaise Zabini?) I don't need a thesis to suggest that unavoidability of race of all things is a suspicious thing to say.

[(Anonymous)]

do you have facts or just conjecture?