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[ SECRET POST #2870 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2870 ⌋

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[X-Files]

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(Doctor Who/Torchwood)

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(Benedict Cumberbatch)

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[Star Trek]

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[Star Trek Voyager, "Macrocosm"]

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[Great British Bake Off series 4, Ruby Tandoh]

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[How to Get Away with Murder]

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[Far Cry 3]

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[Krazy Kat & Ignatz Mouse]

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So I've noticed that, occasionally, when a slash fan says that a canon het ship didn't work for them (they don't see the chemistry, don't like the pairing, etc.) some of the canon het shippers will say something like:

"Here's a perfect example of a slash fan shitting on a canon het couple to get validation."

And it annoys me for several reasons:

1. Het fans do this as well and use the same tactics as even the worst of slash shippers (see Harmonians or Zutarians if you want examples)
2. You know DAMN well why the reverse isn't true -- because the ratio of slash ships that are canon compared to het ships is UNBELIEVABLY skewed, even if one takes into account that homosexuality/bisexuality is less common than heterosexuality in the general population. So there's no way that het shippers can "shit" on canon slash couples since canon slash couples are so few in number to begin with.
3. Saying that a canon het ship doesn't work for you isn't "shitting" on anything. It's an opinion for God's sake. Unless you're insulting the fans for shipping it or trying to say that het shippers are being bigots for not liking slash (which is asinine), writing out why a het ship doesn't work for you on a personal level isn't shitting on ANYTHING.

Why can't someone write their opinion on a ship without being lambasted with accusations? Of course people spend less time writing essays or meta critical of slash ships. They're not canon. They're not explicitly written into the book or show or movie. Whereas a canon het romance IS an element present in the work that can be evaluated just as readily as the cinematography, the music, a book's pacing, or the plot.

Note: I'm not asking het shippers not to reply back and say why the relationship works for them or why they think it's good writing. But I do wish disliking part of a work wasn't equated with shitting on it and that slash shippers would stop being accused of looking for validation. We KNOW that our ship has no chance of being canon/becoming official. We also know exactly WHY it was never on the table in the first place.

Okay, rant over.

Honestly I'm just sick of "different opinion= shitting on whatever". Like wow...grow a thicker skin.

Somebodyyyyyyyy was hating on a canon het ship today and got told off.

ngl mte

Internet dumb

Is this even common? I mean, I've been into slash for a pretty long time now and never really got into arguments over anything like this.

It just happened to me the other day and I was exasperated with it and wanted to vent.

Sounds like you just ran into someone who takes shipping way too seriously. Vent away, but it tends to just be better to ignore and move on.

It happens all the time. From my experience, anyway, and I'm not a warship type so it's not like I'm looking.

context: http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1109540.html?thread=792190756#cmt792190756

Shipper wars happen when a vocal minority of the non canon ship fans (not limited to slash fans) are desperate to prove that their ship is the real thing and/or better than the canon het ship, so they start butchering the canon couple to prove their point.
This is what the OP of this thread did in that secret and they seem to be butthurt now, because people understood their tactic and told them so. So they want to be told that they are right and that they weren't 'having petty shipper wars' and 'shitting on the het ship to seek validation for their slash ship'.

Eh, that works both ways, though. I've seen a ton of Narusasu shippers crosstagging on tumblr talking about how the canon het pairings shit on the "real" slash ending. How Kishimoto is actually gay, 'cause they totally heard it from somewhere, that he went to Narusasu cons and loved their fanart.

..When in reality Kishimoto is a straight guy with a wife and kids who has never gone to a fan con in his life lol

You're overthinking this.

None of this matters. Canon vs het doesn't matter. Shipping doesn't matter.

It's all pixels on a screen, and we're going to die anyway. Why waste your energy being angry? Ship what you want to ship and have fun.

Those pixels represent the thoughts and actions of real people though. I mean, I agree that shipping doesn't really matter but what is this?

This internet vs "real life" dichotomy is just a pet peeve of mine.

True, I was being too hasty there in creating a dichotomy.

It just annoys me lately more than ever how much importance people attach to fandom things like shipping and whether something is canon, and then they attack each other over those trivial fandom things. When there's so much important stuff that happens IRL. People dying sort of changes your perspective, I guess. I just don't have a lot of patience for it anymore.

You sound like you're all of 14 and you've never experienced real loss or have ever been confronted with death in your short existence.

Don't make assumptions about people.

Evidently those who have experienced Real Loss (TM) and Faced Death know what's truly important: arguing about shipping on the internet.

LOL!

I'm sorry I laughed. I haven't experienced Real Loss(TM) yet, despite my advanced age.

Praise yourself lucky. It's really just random. I have this friend who's only 4 years younger, and literally never had anyone close to her die. She still has both sets of grandparents, and even one set of great-grandparents. She has this wonderful, big family - and while I love her and wish her all that happiness, I have this tinge of jealousy when I think that over half of the people I loved since childhood are now in a graveyard.

Sorry, that wasn't meant to be so depressing - I mean, enjoy it now that you have it, because you only really realize how wonderful it was when it's gone.

Frankly I'd say that fandom is my escape window from Real Loss(TM) and Faced Death(TM) both of which have been overrepresented in my life in my life.

While I tend not to have petty arguments about ships, I can sort of see how you'd divert your frustration to fandom things (while the real cause is actually real life hurt).

Re: Something Canon Het Shippers Do That Gets Under My Skin

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-12 16:38 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Something Canon Het Shippers Do That Gets Under My Skin

kallanda_lee - 2014-11-12 16:59 (UTC) - Expand

*grabs popcorn*

Will you just give up about that wank in the last star trek secret?

"slash fan shitting on a canon het couple to get validation."

sorry but there is more than one comment in that thread showing that this is what you did.
You read a secret that was criticizing your ship and you got obviously upset. I get it, do you know how many secrets were made to shit on my ships too? I get your reaction.
I get that you thought, also, it would make you feel better if you started bashing your rival ship and drag their fans into an unnecessary wank about whose ship is the best according to you. Revenge is sweet, you weren't the first doing that here and won't be the last.
What do you exactly want from us, now? You weren't forced to bring other ships in the argument, to defend yours or disagree with the OP. You still did that but now you want us to justify you and you keep bringing that up in the general comments sections.

I think it's perfectly fine for anyone to have an opinion on any aspect of the media that they consume. However, I'll be honest and say that I don't understand why people need to write meta after meta or essay after essay tearing apart canon relationships that they don't like. I mean what's the point? Are people trying to convince others that they shouldn't like a canon relationship, that the canon relationship should be replaced with a different relationship? It seems pretty petty and pathetic to me.

Also, I'm sorry but evaluating romances that are canon is not equal to evaluating things like cinematography, or the plot. There are real life biases that can effect how someone will respond to a romance in ways it won't effect how they respond to cinematography. For example, do you really think someone who is homophobic will objectively evaluate a gay relationship, or that someone who is racist will objectively evaluate an interracial romance or a relationship with two people of color? These are factors that can't be ignored. People don't have to be screaming homophobic or racist commentary to hold problematic viewpoints that might make them not see the "chemistry" between two particular characters, or react negatively to two certain characters being in a relationship.

Basically you can dislike what you want when it comes to the canon of any show or film, but the way you go about disliking it, and what you say and how you act about what you dislike, is going to make people respond to you in different ways. So if you dislike a canon het ship and write one essay about it without any problematic commentary and don't act like those who like it are stupid or uninformed, I'm sure most people won't respond negatively. But if you say things that seem questionable, or if you go on and on about it non stop, or if you, for example, post meta after meta in places that you know pretty much only supporters of the relationship you are picking apart will read and see your meta, that is probably going to get you negative reactions and I think at that point everyone would have a right to call you out on your shit.

I basically read any anti-ship meta as "My ship is clearly superior to this crap and I will now proceed to teach you the error of your ways because that's all it'll take to change your silly little mind."

And I click away with a "fuck that." And also laugh when they act as though they had no idea where all these "defensive shippers" subsequently come from.

So you wrote a longass treatise about how some ship is awful because of reasons, probably posted it to tumblr and tagged it, and you're shocked that people were mean to you??? ◔_◔

'anti shipping meta'. lol. You couldn't provoke people harder if you tried. What did you expect?

Are you new to the internet?

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