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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

She's not perfect. But I think a lot of criticism gets poured on her because of her agenda more than anything else. Not even the death threat stuff, but even the actual criticism of her videos, I think a lot of it is more about trying to discredit her than anything. Yeah, it's super 101, and yeah, her process is in many ways shitty, but also, who gives a shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you shouldn't steal and give misinformation if you're trying to make a damn point.

There are plenty of sexist games and such. But getting information dead wrong does more to discredit you than anything anyone else can do because you look like an idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I agree she shouldn't have taken other people's LPs, but I don't think that affects her arguments at all. That seems like what everyone brings up to discredit her, but it doesn't discredit her arguments.

And sure, she made some mistakes and very select interpretations, but I don't see how most of what she brings up isn't pretty much accurate, and more than that, attempts to open a very important discussion about sexism in games.

[(Anonymous)]

because she discredits herself by not seeming to actually know what she's talking about.

And I say this as a pretty damn adamant feminist who would normally be all over her stuff, but the moment you make such glaring mistakes and show that you didn't actually play the games you said you would, like hell am I going to take that sitting down.

She's a fucking scam artist in it for the money.

[insanenoodlyguy]

see now, I honestly don't believe that.

She never thought she was gonna make the kinda bank she did on this thing. But she did. And it proved that she didn't really have her shit together at all. Nobody would expect great quality if she only got 6000 dollars. But she got a lot more then that. I think she was rather surprised at that herself.

I think a lot of people liked her idea and the reality fell short, but I dont' think she meant to scam anybody. She's just... not the best at what she does (and none of what she does deserves the shit she's gotten for it, most of it seeming to be about shit that has nothing to do with her reviewing abilities)

[(Anonymous)]

IA with this.

And given that, it's extremely hard for me to see what she did as being especially malicious. The only thing she did wrong was not being great at talking about feminism or editing videos. Which, ya know.

I mean, it's pretty fucking funny (in a laugh-to-death way) that the only reason she got that much money in the first place, and the reason she got a lot of the visibility she did, was because of the outraged reaction from the gamer defense squad. If the outrage storm about her KS had not happened, she would probably have got funded around the level she actually expected, and this would all seem so much more sane. Really, in the broadest sense, if it means anything, what it means is that the ecosystem of gaming and talking about gaming is completely broken and fucked up. Not just in the sense that it's full of toxic dialogue and people - in the much more general sense that talking about games in a reasonable, coherent way is just not possible.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, you shouldn't, and it was wrong for her to do so

but also, i don't think that means that she needs to go away and everyone can safely dismiss her, and i think that's how that argument and the emphasis placed on her misdeeds ends up being used

[(Anonymous)]

She's a scam artist. So yes, she needs to go away. I'd be saying the same thing regardless of sex because scam artists belong in prison.

Someone not in it for money needs to step up instead.

[(Anonymous)]

(a) I don't think she is a scam artist

(b) if she is a scam artist, and she's right, she's still right

[(Anonymous)]

two wrongs still don't make a right, sorry

[(Anonymous)]

Honey, no.

If her position is "there is sexism in video games," and there is sexism in video games, then the fact that she might be a scam artist wouldn't make her wrong on that point. And that's what people are trying to point out to you kids. You can attack her as a person, and you can attack her position. But attacking her as a person doesn't discredit her position, and attacking her position doesn't discredit her as a person. They're two separate things.

[(Anonymous)]

no one is saying that death/rape threats are wrong. absolutely no one.

what we're talking about anita's character and the reasons why people, including me, are criticizing her. "two wrongs don't make a right" is in reference to the fact that she's stealing art, game play, lying about actually playing (otherwise, we'll have a more in-depth discussion instead of "look at how sexist it is! look at it!!" bullshit) and passing herself off as someone who has all the answers.... that's the wrong part.

there is sexism in video games and it NEEDS to be addressed but anita is not equipped with that responsibility since she can't even properly do research on the subject itself.

[(Anonymous)]

oops, i meant to say no one thinks sending death/rape threats is right. apologies.

[(Anonymous)]

Scam artist? Seems like another criticism that doesn't serve any purpose but to derail from the arguments in question.

And frankly, it seems to be more of a situation where she genuinely wanted to make movies, asked for money, ended up getting more fame and therefore cash than she both needed and knew what do to with, and made the quality of videos she intended to make from the start. I don't know how the heck she's a scam artist by asking to be funded for videos... that she actually made. Yeah, it seems like she took LPs, I don't really see how that's a "scam". Dishonest at best, but really doesn't have anything to do with the actual purpose of her videos.

[(Anonymous)]

Because she shows little actual knowledge of the video games themselves. So where did the money go if not to the systems and games she was going to buy for her videos?

That's why she's a scam artist. She may have gone in with good intent, but then the dollar signs began stacking up and she saw a way to make money.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh gee, I dunno, where does money normally go? Did you need receipts or something? Maybe she bought better cameras, took time off work, bought better lighting tech, hired someone to help, or maybe it's just considered overhead and she uses it to live. Unless she specifically said she was going to use money to buy X and only X, then it's not a scam, especially considering all the money she received. If you expect someone to spend over a hundred grand on video games, you're actually crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

Except she didn't buy the games and systems like she said she would. Thus she didn't use the money for what she said she would, at all. She lied to her viewers.

[(Anonymous)]

TFYC are scam artists, Anita actually DOES shit. Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

lol ok

[(Anonymous)]

You're a sack of shit.

[(Anonymous)]

See, my problem is that I'd love to see a really engaged, thoughtful, non-101 series offering a feminist critique of video games, but Sarkeesian just isn't providing that.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, that's fair, and it'd be rad if that existed, but I don't think that's actually a critique of what Sarkeesian is doing. Like, Sarkeesian's thing is a 101 look, not a shitty attempt at a non-101 look, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

But it's bad 101 based on false and cherry picked facts.

[(Anonymous)]

DA.

... This is true. Can we maybe gather together a coalition of people who are willing to do a webseries that does a less basic feminist analysis of trends in gaming? More feminist voices is always a good thing, and I think it'd take some of the spotlight/heat off of Anita.

God, I have so many things to say from a feminist perspective about the Soul Calibur series and other sexualized fighting games.

[(Anonymous)]

I think something like this would best be prepared in a non-anonymous setting. Maybe there already is? Looking into this could be worth it, seeing as there are quite a few critical videos based on Anita's from fellow feminists.