[ SECRET POST #2874 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2874 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/C7pTi7y.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Uhhhhhh... it's probably not the best to imply that autistic people can't be loved

I honestly am not sure if you're trolling, but I don't think so. I agree that headcanons can be frustrating, and certainly there's a ton of headcanons for a lot of things I don't understand at all, but I think your evidence is perhaps not quite the strongest ever.

[siofrabunnies]

Gotta second the Anon above me.

I'll agree that autistic people aren't going to be charismatic like Fëanor, but nothing else you say holds much water. Autistic people aren't all Rainman. They can fall in love, they can certainly have sex (even multiple times), and I have no idea why you imply autistic people can't inspire loyalty. Sure, it wouldn't be the same kind of loyalty, but every autistic person I've met (my mom was a special ed. teacher, so there's actually quite a few) had people willing to go to the ends of the earth for them.

I don't know how people could read Fëanor as autistic, because there's more to it than a short list of symptoms, but you're pulling all the wrong evidence out.

[a_potato]

Uh. Not everyone on the spectrum is bad in social situations. It's true that autistic people generally have a harder time getting the hang of social interaction, but they're not incapable of doing so.

Also, you...realize autistic people do get married and have children, right? I mean...what?

[intrigueing]

lolwhut

*doesn't even bother to echo what the people above me have said since they said it better*

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't mean to imply that autistic people can't have spouses and families who love them. (What was I thinking?) In retrospect, this secret was very badly worded, and I apologize for it.

I still don't see Feanor as an autistic character, but the way I expressed that opinion was wrong. I'm sorry.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the apology. I respect you a lot for being able to admit that you fucked up. I can somewhat see what you were going for, but you indeed did not word it well.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it was a badly worded secret, but it's a fucking stupid headcanon.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the OP apologized so STFU and stop dogpiling.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT seems to be agreeing with OP though? They're criticizing the headcanon in the same way OP is

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not dogpiling on OP. It's not OP's headcanon, and I'm agreeing with them that it's stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, as someone who's slightly autistic, I don't really think you get it. Yeah, I get overwhelmed and can have meltdowns at too much social interaction or anxiety, and close myself off. I don't like too much of it. But at the same time, I crave friends and am pretty outgoing in the moment I am presented with people with similar i interests. In fact, it's to the point that they often don't understand when I say I need space,and ask why when I'm so friendly. So yes, autistic people can and do come off socially normal sometimes, you just don't know what might be going through their head. Although I don't know this Fandom or anything, so I can't comment on that.

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as an autistic -- social skills are hard for me to pick up, but being socially inept is definitely not an intractable problem. It just takes a lot of practice and concentration and careful observation of other folks; I have a long-standing habit of rehearsing possible conversations in my mind in vivid detail, which I think has been useful. I actually have quite a wide circle of friends at present, which is admittedly somewhat new for me.

Also, my girlfriend, who is also autistic, once said that she in fact feels pretty comfortable with expressing herself in words (written or spoken) by now, precisely because she's had to work so hard at that and at puzzling other people out.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, Feanor's a fucking Elf. And his story's written in the Silmarillion which reads like the Bible. Where the hell do people pull these random character traits from??

[(Anonymous)]

I'm amazed people can pull any character traits from many of the characters in the Silmarillion tbh, especially the ones who only get like two sentences.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Some get two sentences, some get four sentences and some get a whole damn chapter - or more! - dedicated to them. Fëanor is some between four sentences and a chapter, so he has more characterisation than say his half-brother Finarfin, whose only notable fact is he stayed home and Galadriel was his daughter.

[annethecatdetective]

Uhh, just because social graces are not things that come naturally to us does not mean that Autistic people can't be charming. It is often exhausting, but perfectly possible-- plenty of autistic people become actors, because they find it easier to put on personas and to speak to crowds than it is to be themselves and speak to strangers one on one. Some also DON'T find crowds of strangers off-putting-- famed party crasher Bill Murray recently came out as being autistic. Many experts think that Peter Sellers was autistic as well.

And I know people have covered the family thing, but my own two cents-- My father was autistic. Not only did my mother love him deeply, but so did my siblings and I. There's no one in the world I love more than my (late) dad, who was funny, and who cared deeply about people.

Learning to be social takes time and effort for those of us on the autism spectrum, but it's totally possible.

I don't know about headcanoning non-humans as autistic, that's kind of weird to me, but presumably an autistic elf would have hundreds of years in which to learn how to be charismatic.