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[ SECRET POST #2875 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2875 ⌋

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I... think you're kind of missing the entire point of fandom.

It's fine if you find playing with other people's "property" pointless, but I feel you're severely limiting your creativity and imagination if you never once think beyond the "vision" the creator lays down. Don't you even wonder what a character does after a story ends? Or what they do while they're off-screen for a while?

I'm guessing that if your OCs ever became the source of other people's fanworks, OP, that you'd have one of those public and embarrassing author meltdowns.

except they never seemed to be upset that other people do it. They just personally don't see any appeal in it, for them the canon is enough.

Geez, why is everyone in this thread going so out of their way to make OP's personal feelings about why they don't ship other characters into some big insult.

I'm as protective of fanfiction as anyone else, and I ship characters and all that, but I don't think this person is saying that it's wrong. Just that they see no point in it.

Why are you going out of your way to be insulted over people disagreeing with the OP? Have you forgotten where you are? People post secrets. Everyone else shares their unvarnished opinions on those secrets. This isn't some place where we all sit around sycophantically patting each other on the back for thinking shit and putting it on a graphic.

Well IDK the fact that they're sharing it as a secret suggests that this is something they probably don't admit.

I feel like everyone else here is going out of their way to see the worst in OP, tbh.

I've seen people be really judgey of things in fanfic they don't like as reasons they don't like it, but just say "and that's why I dislike reading it/choose not to read it". Nobody seems to get on their ass about it unless they say something like "people shouldn't write that." or "put it on your personal journal because it doesn't belong on fanfic sites" or something like that.

All OP is doing is saying that they don't do what a lot of the rest of us do and don't see the point of it.

Going to a place where everyone does Thing A and saying, "I think Thing A is pointless, and that what you're doing doesn't matter" is generally not considered a polite thing to do.

This. The difference is that most of the people who dislike a certain kind of fanfic don't usually express that dislike on the fics themselves, or on comms dedicated to that kind of fic. In fact, doing so is considered rude and childish.

"don't usually express that dislike on the fics themselves"

Ohhh you sweet little naive flower. Are you familiar with "flamers/flames"?. Flames, or intentionally rude reviews were such a prominent thing on fanfiction communities that "don't flame" became a common thing to see in fanfic summaries.

It's still something that happens. People absolutely advertise their loathing of a fic or the canon the fic came from in their reviews. That is definitely a thing that happens.

Did you read my post? I didn't say it wasn't "a thing that happens," I avoided absolutes and any sort of precise language, the focus was on the general attitude toward flamers, which is negative and rather dismissive (in places that I frequent.)

It's okay to be confused, but please don't get upset over these things.

Thank you.

Adding "Oh but it's just my personal opinion!" doesn't count for shit when your personal opinion is going to be belittling about 98% of the audience you're voicing it in front of.

And I'm curious as to why they'd feel the need to point out how pointless they find it in a fandom-related community if they're not tacitly (or not so tacitly since they acknowlegde it sounds stuck-up) saying other people doing it bothers them.

It'd be like me going into a fantasy-football forum and saying "This doesn't appeal to me at all, I much rather just watch the real game and leave it at that."

OP seems like the type to hang out in fandom communities and complain about most of the activity by leaving comments in those communities.

And I'm curious as to why they'd feel the need to point out how pointless they find it in a fandom-related community if they're not tacitly (or not so tacitly since they acknowlegde it sounds stuck-up) saying other people doing it bothers them.

Really? That just seems a tad,"looking for insult".

This is also a "confessions" community, FFS. They're submitting a confession about how they aren't as interested and find it pointless to ship and theorize about canon stuff. How is this less valid than the thousands of "I ship it but I feel guilty" or "I judge fans of that" or other stuff.

Honestly I don't even agree with the OP's feelings. But I don't see the point in getting mad at them for confessing them. What's the point. Normally all this secret would have got out of me is a "Oh. Okay. Hope you enjoy that , OP".

Yes. It's a confessions community. But, see, it's not just a place to share confessions, it's also a place to comment on confessions. And it would be a pretty fucking pointless and boring place if all anyone said in regards to the secrets here was to say "oh okay, that's nice."

Shipping secrets are boring and "I judge..." secrets are dumb. The difference is that OP is setting themselves against fandom activity. The wording also makes it seem like they're against interpretation, which has been part of the history and consumption of all forms of art. There's also more to many artistic mediums than 'the original author and their vision,' so at best OP is boring, at worst they're a philistine.

Hmm well I suppose that's a point.

But then again, I guess it's just...why does it matter? Will getting mad at them , mock them and make assumptions about what they do in other comms really do anything to change their mind?

Like I know the whole spiel of "I have a right to disagree" and all but, really what difference will all this reaction make to OP?

Sure we probably won't convince them to change (and we certainly won't like this) but why not instead of angry offense we can approach OP explaining why we are so interested in this and what we get out of it?

Might result in more interesting conversation, than just reactionary wanking. and even if we don't change their mind, couldn't it be fun to have a huge discussion about why we ship, and come up with theories and do the fannish things we do, and what we get out of it?

I doubt either side would want to have that discussion. I know I don't like trying to defend my interests to people who are already judging me for them, and if someone doesn't like something, especially if they express that dislike in the way that OP has, they won't want to hear people talk about why they enjoy that thing.

What difference will any reaction make? And where the fuck are you for every single other secret where the majority of commenters disagree and voice that disagreement strongly? What is it about this one thing that's made you go "omg guys you shouldn't be expressing yourselves this way because it's a secrets site so blah blah blah?"

It clearly matters to OP if they went to the trouble of making their opinion known in a fandom community that they think personally that fandom is pointless.

I find that totally pointless and irrelevant. YMMV.

I thought the OP's sentiments were how a lot of people outside fandom think about it. I don't get why you would hang out in fannish spaces for more than a few curious "huhs" if that's how you felt--there are plenty of spaces outside fandom (or in writing comms) where you could express that and be solidly mainstream.

If they are of the mind that only the creator's original vision matters and that fanwork is pointless, then I think that would be intensely upset if someone did that to their characters. So yes, if they're going to be mad at others people for doing it with their "vision" then that's pretty damn judgmental.

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