fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2876 ]

[ SECRET POST #2876 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2876 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

[The Boxtrolls]

__________________________________________________

03.

[One Piece]

__________________________________________________

04.

[Hockey RPF, Patrick Kane]

__________________________________________________

05.

[The Silmarillion]

__________________________________________________

06.

[Meghan Trainor: All About That Bass]

__________________________________________________

07.

[Radiant Historia]

__________________________________________________

08.

[Twin Peaks]

__________________________________________________

09.

[Meghan Trainor]

__________________________________________________

10.

[Taylor Swift]

__________________________________________________

11.

[Star Wars]

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #411.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

people who vote exclusively democratic or republican disgust me and i'm gonna judge you so hard if you've never considered a third party

So basically you don't like anyone no matter how they vote.

nope, read again

I just did. I stand by my original comment.

"exclusively democratic or republican"

c'mon man, it was only a sentence

Re: Unpopular opinions

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 01:12 (UTC) - Expand

...are you fucking high?

Disgust is harsh but I think third parties can definitely be a good thing. That said, I've voted for a third party, but I'm sure that would have been a much harder decision if I didn't live in California. I sympathize with people who live in actual swing states. Of course, I guess that only really applies to presidential elections, but still.

I've considered third parties, but I always ultimately decide that considering how horrible I find most of the Republican views that voting for Democrats is absolutely the lesser of two evils and the only thing I can do because I don't want Republicans to win.

I voted for a third party this election because I thought my state was so solidly Democrat that I wouldn't lose anything by helping Green gain a little traction. I thought wrong.

Illinois?

No, Maryland.

Third party voting is basically protest voting. It only works where both serious parties are in their incompetent but harmless phases. RIght now that description fits the Dems, so Repubs can third party vote without too much worry. The GOP is in a fucking psychotic and capable of inflicting massive harm phase, so Dems don't dare third party vote because a third party vote is a vote for repub govt. and devestating consequences.

Third party protesting voting: Think it through first.

Of course if the entire voting and electoral structure was overhauled so that a straight up win/lose situation was not possible, then it would be worth it. That will never happen though. Just gotta hope that periodically one of the two parties will fuck up so bad that their entire base goes protest voting and a new party forms to take their place. For a while it looked like the GOP might do that, with TeaP taking over from them. In the end though the GOP rowed back on that one, when God started throwing hurricanes at their conventions.

Thiiiiiiis. Thank you for a cogent analysis.

Definitely think about what you're doing at the polls! I'd love to vote for a third part (that I could get behind) that had an actual chance of going two-to-two with the Rs and Ds, but I have never seen this happen and it probably won't happen for another hundred years. Third parties just don't get the same funding as the big two and the voting population is very polarized between the popular parties.

toe-to-toe* (I was super riled up when typing this response)

The fact that a party won't win is IMO not a particularly compelling reason to vote for a party you don't agree with

There are compelling reasons not to vote for a third party you agree with (IE, tactical voting) but absent those considerations, I really don't understand why it matters whether the party has a chance at winning or not.

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 01:50 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 01:53 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 02:19 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 02:27 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 03:22 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

diet_poison - 2014-11-18 04:00 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 04:52 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 04:54 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 05:24 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 07:16 (UTC) - Expand

Re: +1!

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-18 08:27 (UTC) - Expand

I sort of agree with this. (Not the disgust part though)

Only that it doesn't bother me if they vote for one party exclusively as long as they have actually thought about what/who they're voting for. It bothers me when they vote for that party because that what they've always voted for or because that's what their family votes for or whatever.

It bothers me a bit when people end up voting for a party's platform rather than looking at issues. But if you look at each individual and end up voting along a party line anyway, I guess that's the way it goes.

I feel pretty similar. If half the people who complained like "oh gosh I wish I could vote third party but they're never gonna win so I better go with the giant party of suck that I hate less" actually grew some balls and voted third party, there would be some big changes in this country. But all these fuckers are voting for shit parties just because everyone else is voting for the shit parties. Fuck that and fuck all of you, I'm voting for the party I actually agree with the most.

That's not a fair assessment. The voting system in the US is actually designed in such a way that third parties are doomed to fail. A protest vote is one thing, but for a third party to actually win there would have to be a huge, coordinated effort put into it.

We need to change the voting system.

I'd vote third party more often if they came up with better candidates. But not the Libertarians, those crazy assholes don't need my help.

I wish there were more libertarians that weren't Libertarians.

Considering a third party will be easier if we change the way we run our elections. The plurality system makes it very hard to vote for a third party without taking a big risk. Change it to a majority runoff system, and third parties will have a real chance of winning, and people won't be so afraid to vote for them.

That's one of the basic changes I wish we'd make in the way our government is run tbh.

TBH it would be pretty futile even then. Although I advocate third parties in general, for all practical purposes, you can accomplish much of the same stuff through trying to work in the primary system of the existing parties and trying to support and run candidates who are further to the left to swing the party in that direction (assuming you're a Democrat who wishes the party were more left, which I assume most in this thread basically are, but the same principles apply mutatis mutandis regardless of your actual affiliation).

The real, intractable problems which make it difficult to do those things would still exist in a majority runoff system. The two biggest problems, and the two which more than anything else are currently fucking up our democracy, being of course rampant gerrymandering, and the insane infusion of money into politics via issue ads, Citizens United stuff, etc. Until we fix those issues, we're going to be well and truly fucked no matter what. Also it's really hard to envision any practical way of fixing them.

and the two which more than anything else are currently fucking up our democracy, being of course rampant gerrymandering, and the insane infusion of money into politics via issue ads

eh, I'm not trying to deny those are problems too! There are many very important problems.

But I do think that people are genuinely afraid to vote for third parties because of the throwaway vote phenomenon and eliminating the plurality system would be a good step as well.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only