[ SECRET POST #2876 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2876 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[The Boxtrolls]


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03.
[One Piece]


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[Hockey RPF, Patrick Kane]


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[The Silmarillion]


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06.
[Meghan Trainor: All About That Bass]


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07.
[Radiant Historia]


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08.
[Twin Peaks]


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09.
[Meghan Trainor]


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10.
[Taylor Swift]



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[Star Wars]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That right there is what irritates me to no end and made me intensely dislike Galadriel. The idea that Celeborn (or now Teleporno) was a Teleri Elf instead of a Sindar Elf and that he and Galadriel were going to go by boat or whatever -- just this HUGE workaround to make it so she was better than all the other Noldor -- really annoys me. I don't want to say Mary Sue but it comes to mind.

She will always be a kinslayer to me with blood on her hands. LOTR doesn't make much sense otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It annoys me because, let's not beat around the bush, Tolkien had some sexist views about women. People who think women can never do anything wrong and have complex morals like men or else they're "ruined" and no longer good are putting out some sexist bullshit. Oh well, given how much he changed shit I don't think people should have to agree with Tolkien on everything.

[philstar22]

I don't dislike her. But that bugs me. And I don't see the need. Characters can do horrible things and still be good people in the end. Then again, there isn't a whole lot of redemption that sticks in the Tolkien universe. But I also don't get why people have to justify the things the characters they love too. Celebrimbor is one of my favorite Middle Earth characters, and he's hardly a paragon of virtue. He's interesting because he's complex and wants to escape his grandfather's legacy and yet at the same time wants to be as good as his grandfather and ends up in the same place.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I have to say I agree with you on all that. I already had an impression that in whatever copy of JRR's notes were used for The Silmarillion Galadriel was already part of the group who were innocent of the First Kinslaying. To this day I can't see the logic to the rewrite, except to absolve her of all ambition and muddy the waters on Celeborn by cutting off his previous line of descent to buff him up into a sparkly Calaquendi to be worthy of JRR's pet favourite.

[(Anonymous)]

... No, she doesn't have to be a kinslayer with blood on her hands. Just being a part of Fingolfin's company is enough to bring her under the Doom of the Noldor.

[(Anonymous)]

You're missing the point of my comment. Try reading it again.

[(Anonymous)]

You missed important information about the book you're discussing. Try reading it again.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I wasn't talking about the Doom of the Noldor at all. I didn't miss anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh? Like the above anon poster said - I really dislike the Celeborn-is-a-Teleri and Galadriel-had-special-permission-from-the-Valar stuff for the reasons you mention, but even in the published Silmarillion Galadriel isn't a kinslayer. She didn't take part in the First Kinslaying - only Fëanor, his sons and Fingon did. (Largely) unrepentant rebel, yes, kinslayer, no.

[(Anonymous)]

The published Silmarillion doesn't line up with LOTR. That's what I meant. She will always be a kinslayer to me.