[ SECRET POST #2890 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2890 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Once a male character is canonically into guys then slash loses its illicit thrill. Slash is all about making hets sexually transgressive and part of it is the thrill the slasher gains from imagining non-slash fans will have a sense of outrage. You remove that then the whole thing is uninteresting.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is why Glee fandom is so big.

[(Anonymous)]

ha! good point. I am out of Glee now, but I've definitely written (and still have a few authors I follow) who write glorious kurt/blaine things!

*toddles off to find some*

[(Anonymous)]

that's mad reductive

[luxshine]

Or maybe it's because the showrunners made it perfectly clear that their Constantine is totally 100% heterosexual and thus the slash fandom decided not to give them their raitings?

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure if actually everybody who watches got that memo, but yeah, that's the reason I decided not to tune in, even though I hunger for a good new fantasy show. :/

[arcadiaego]

Not sure if everyone who writes it got the memo either...

[(Anonymous)]

That's definitely part of the reason I decided not to watch. (I also don't usually like fantasy shows, but I might've made an exception here.) When they decided to "straighten" a canonically bi character, particularly when said character would be on the network that gave us a canonically bi Tim Bayliss nearly 20 years ago, they lost my interest.

[likeadeuce]

Yeah, I was going to say, this. They did their best to alienate the audience that would be interested in that interpretation of the character.

[(Anonymous)]

In later interviwes, the showrunner has recanted from this position that Constantine is undeniable straight.

He said something of the effect about "the relationships, the women and men" as in the context of Constantine liasions. Don't know the exact link but I now I read it on The Mary Sue.

So yeah, his bisexuality is a possibility, even if it's word of god and won't ever make it into the show (which was the true intention of the original statement, still kinda BS but W/E)

Also, in episode 4, you could definitely do a queer reading of Constantine and one of his previous associates.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. When the showrunner announced that John Constantine was going to be 100% heterosexual, THIS bisexual decided to be 100% not watching.

[(Anonymous)]

Well as troll statements go, that's more creative than the usual sort.

[feotakahari]

So that creepy romance novelist who got big a while back was actually right when she said it had to be straight guys sucking cock?

(Yes, this was a thing. I remember the novel was called Danny.)

[kallanda_lee]

I dunno. To some women, I guess it is. I have a friend in r/l who I know is a slasher...and to her, yeah it is. It sort of came up sort of awkwardly, because it was after she found out my then-boyfriend had a relationship wit a guy before me, and basically she was like "yeah, if I'm honest not really into that, I much prefer it when it's straight guys snogging". I mostly just chose not to engage further because it was one of those moments I didn't really want to mix the porn/real life thing.

[kallanda_lee]

Yeah...that's way too much analysis for my slash. I just like hot guys with nice dynamics. And if they act it out on screen it's a huge bonus. I don't have the whole illicit thing going, I shipped Brian/Justin from QAF like burning back in the day.

[(Anonymous)]

Well...you're almost right, in your first sentence? Non-canon couples are generally more popular than canon couples (although exceptions exist) and since canonically gay/bi characters tend to be written into safe monogamous relationships immediately, there's probably less fic about them in general.

Don't know about this guy, though. Was he bi in the movie/show/whatever?

[leikomgwtfbbq]

In the comic he is.

I haven't been keeping up with the show, since I found the pilot really disappointing, but I'm thinking of picking it back up.

[(Anonymous)]

If that's the case then how do you explain the WtNV fans who ship Cecil/Carlos? Or the Glee fans who ship Kurt/Blaine? Or the Young Avengers fans who ship Hulkling/Wiccan? Or the Authority fans who ship Apollo/Midnighter? Or the Cardcaptor Sakura fans who ship Toya/Yukito? None of the ships I just listed are obscure crack pairings, by the way; all of them are canon, and at least three are juggernaut pairings in their respective fandoms.

Or, fuck, even yaoi manga. Like it or not, a lot of slashfic writers read (or used to read) that stuff. You can't get much more canonically gay than that.

The point I'm trying to make is that slashers are definitely not opposed to canon gayness.

In short, your logic is flawed.

[(Anonymous)]

It's sweet that you actually think AYRT was trying to be logical.

[(Anonymous)]

My fandom's biggest pairing is an m/m pairing with the one explicitly gay main character in the series. Doesn't really hold up. (We do still get whiny babies crying that he's not reeeeally gay you crazy fangiiiiiiirls, though.)

[(Anonymous)]

What is the argument for a canonically gay character not really being gay? That sounds crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should explain that one to Torchwood's Jack/Ianto shippers?

[(Anonymous)]

Ianto started out straight though, well, Cyberphile I suppose.

[(Anonymous)]

or, more likely, canon gay characters are so ridiculously limited in personality that they naturally become nothing more than "the gay one," and are uninteresting and underdeveloped because of it, and fandom doesn't care about them

[(Anonymous)]

Yes I was also gonna mention Torchwood where the most popular pairing was the canon slash couple,