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[ SECRET POST #2893 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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Maybe because fan artists often freak out over people who simply REPOST the work saying they don't know who drew it but think it's pretty?

There's a big difference between claiming something is yours and just saying "Look what I found, isn't it pretty!" Especially when the fan artist is foreign and you don't speak their language -- it can make it insanely difficult to track them down and give credit.

I have a bunch of Stucky fan art I'd love to share but I can't because the artists are Japanese/Chinese and I haven't been able to track them down.

And people on fandomsecrets even said that posting them while saying they're not mine but I couldn't find the artists is inexcusable.

Just, don't be such a fucking baby about it.

And the reason they don't know why drew it is because people like them have already reposted it without the source.

I've seen plenty of examples where people assume the person posting must be the person drawing, and many examples where the poster doesn't correct that fallacy.

Yeah, except…again…language barrier.

I literally found a TON of art because I learned the Japanese name for Stucky and plugged it into google. BOOM tons of fan art.

But trying to tease out the artists when all the pages are in Chinese/Japanese? Good fucking luck.

And even though I said I would post the art and note that I didn't draw it and I found it by searching so-and-so Japanese characters on google images, people still told me that "NO -- you can't post it unless you credit the artist" which I think is the whiniest bullshit personally.

I hear they make translators for websites now.

You're not some poor misunderstood hero because people are telling you how crappy posting unsourced art is, no matter what language the artist communicates in. It's not some great burden to take the time to figure out a webpage (or post a link to the site asking if anybody knows who the artist is). The only whininess I see is on your part.

I'd post that shit anyway, with the link you found it at if possible. Who even cares.

And that's an excuse. If you don't speak the language the thing is written or posted in, it still doesn't give you any right to repost it without permission. If you can't ask for that permission in a language the artist understands, then tough shit.

Entitlement, you has it.

I don't speak Italian, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me steal a Ferrari.

reposting isn't stealing goddamn

poor taste sure, but putting up something that was already publicly on the internet for free is not equivalent to stealing a Ferrari

The comment was trying to justify the things it's apparently ok to do just because there's a language barrier.

And for the record, reposting someone else's IP without attribution is infringement. "I didn't know!" and "It was already on Google!" is no defence.

The fanart isn't their intellectual property though.

In fact, the fanartist is the one who is infringing, not the reposter.

So lemme get this straight... you want the glory for 'discovering' this treasure trove of art via a simple Google search -- i.e. the same level of "hard work" that's involved in scratching your ass -- and you think people telling you that's a shitty thing to do when the artists themselves who actually did the hard work you'd be benefiting from get ZERO credit is "the whiniest bullshit"?

Yeah. Fuck you.

lol

Go right ahead.

I think that people who make money (illegally) off other's intellectual property have absolutely ZERO right to complain if someone reposts their work without credit.

Otherwise they're whiny, hypocritical little bitches.

Whatever problems fan fiction has, at least the authors have a leg to stand on since THEY aren't earning anything off their work. Whereas a huge number of fan artists are.

So spare me your tears.

"But trying to tease out the artists when all the pages are in Chinese/Japanese? Good fucking luck."

So you can't find their pages to actually credit them, but you psychically just darn well know they're making money off it?

Try harder, asswipe.

Here's a thought:

You have ZERO rights to the fan art you are creating. You are STEALING someone else's ideas, regardless of whether or not you sell it. Fanfiction writers, at least, put a disclaimer. But if the original artist has a problem with it, they definitely have the right to legally go after fan fiction writers and fan artists.

I do not feel beholden to respect the wishes of someone who is breaking the law in regards to another's intellectual property. I'm sorry, but I simply think it's far too hypocritical to get upset that people are using your art in a way you haven't authorized when that is EXACTLY what fan artists themselves do to the original creators. And, what's worse, some of them directly profit off this.

If you're not hypocritical, then I have no problem with you. But if you're acting like a whiny hypocritical little asswipe bitch, I'm gonna treat you like a whiny hypocritical little asswipe bitch. Capiche?

10/10

are you in middle school or do you just sound like it?

Well considering you busted out the personal insults, I'd say you're the expert here in middle school behavior so you tell me.

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Nice way to not answer the question at all.

So? How do you know these specific artists whose work you wanted to capitalize on were trying to make money? Or isn't the money the issue for you now, it's the OMGETHICS!!!

Because as soon as you're challenged your argument changes, which kind of makes you the hypocrite here.

Or do you think that just because a select few try making money off fanart it's also fine to treat like shit the vast majority who don't?

Google Image search (which you already seem so proficient with).

Saucenao.

TinEye.

But no, just you keep on making excuses for being a lazy entitled fuck who just wants to bask in notes for posing your Stucky crap.

See, this would make sense if I had actually reposted the art. Too bad I didn't. Instead I made a post telling people how to find it.

But keep on being offended at how I'm pointing out that fan artists don't have the right to complain about people stealing their work or posting their work without attribution when they are profiting off the intellectual property of others and haven't gotten permission from the original creator.

I have zero fucking sympathy. If you want credit, do something original and, here's a thought, NOT illegal. Sound good, hon?

You yourself said you couldn't find -- aka were too lazy to use Google Translate -- the artists behind the works.

So how exactly do you know they're profiting off anything?

Because "hon" most fanartists don't get or even attempt to get a single dime off their work. They still spend hours on it and you're still a patronizing, entitled dickwad.

I DID try to use Google translate. If you haven't noticed, it's not all that great and I ended up getting a lot of twitter feeds and image boards -- many of which were dead ends. I was using reverse google image search and that was enormously unhelpful.

I don't mind if fan artists want to create art. Go for it. But I do think it's a bit rich that they get upset when other people don't contact them and respect their intellectual property when they themselves don't do that for the original creators. I'm sorry, but I don't feel beholden to that.

And it's the height of hypocrisy, in my opinion, to demand that people not repost your work or that they MUST put a link back to the original page when you show such disregard for the creative rights of others. It's not wrong or evil to create fan art, but it is hypocritical to get upset with others for not respecting your work/seeking permission when you yourself have done neither for the original creator.

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They're still doing all the work and they do it because they're fans of the original canon.

You just want to use their work to get all the credit because you believe you're entitled to do so.

What they are doing may not be perfectly legal (but since most Japanese manga authors even love to receive fanart of their works and some even gets showcased on their manga, I don't think that's the issue is that big), but what you're doing is plain shitty.
If you can't respect other people, I don't think you even deserve to enjoy what they do and share for free.

Who the fuck said I was trying to pass it off as my own? I'm NOT. But sometimes, it can be tough to find the original artist and so, yeah, I'll post it and let people know that it's not mine but if someone knows whose it is and can give me a link then I'll edit it on. I do reverse-google image search every picture I post, but a whole hell of a lot of the time, it just leads me back to Russian or Japanese image boards or 4chan. Which isn't fucking helpful at all.

If the artist wants to contact me and let me know that it's their's that's fine.

What I have a problem with, though, is when people get pissy at me just for reposting it without a source. I'm sorry, but I think you're a little bitch if you're complaining about that. I'm not taking credit for your work. Am I posting it without authorization? Yes. BUT you CREATED it without authorization. So I think it's the height of hypocrisy to throw a fit over people sharing your work or people reblogging your picture without attribution when you didn't show anywhere near the same level of courtesy to the original author.

I don't think fanartists deserve to be disrespected or plagarized. I just don't think they have the right to demand MORE respect than they show the original author.

You're gaining attention, notes and followers off the back of someone else's hard work and your "effort" of using Google. That's pathetic.

It's NOT hard to find the original artist. You've been given three sites that do this with a 99% success rate, and if you weren't a lazy entitled idiot who's more interested in gaining kudos for your high and mighty self, you'd have sought them out. That's all people were asking of you. In the rare instances where you can't find the source, then it's precisely because of OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU doing the same fucking thing.

It's not on the artists you chase you down when you're the one in the wrong. How don't you see that fanart is automatically attributing the source by its very existence? That's the whole fucking point of it.

You ARE both a little bitch yourself for the way you're acting, and you ARE disrespecting fanartists.