[ SECRET POST #2897 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2897 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What was done to all the Romanov children was horrific. Even in Communist times the Soviet Union couldn't make it sound like something strong Russia had done to free itself from tyranny. My mother said that the day they learned about it in her history class, one of the boys in her class just kept saying, "they even killed the girls?" And there was no reasoning that was acceptable, the teacher didn't even try.

What always gets me is how much to blame the rest of Europe was for not getting the Romanovs out. They were a headache for Russia, and meanwhile through Alexandra and Nicholas they were related to Victoria, and from their to practically every royal family in Europe. The British especially should have done more to retrieve them. I was watching a documentary on Prince Eddy (the older brother of George IV who died young before he could be King) that says if he had lived he would have been much more likely to have taken the risk and saved his family.

Seriously, they were failed by their family to a ridiculous degree.

[brooms]

What always gets me is how much to blame the rest of Europe was for not getting the Romanovs out.

europe has always been and will always be reluctant to meddle in russian affairs.

[(Anonymous)]

Prince Eddy was known in his lifetime to be well below even average intelligence and rumored to be suffering (and died from) STDs. I'm not sure it's more likely he would've taken in the Romanovs since it's very likely that he, like George V, would've been strongly advised by his government not to for exactly the same reasons, right or wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

You're actually just repeating some fairly baseless slander about Eddy. There is in fact surviving correspondence by him that proves him to be no less intelligent or compassionate (in fact it seems he was much more so) then his brother. He lived a raunchy lifestyle yes, but no worse than his father's had been. The Royal Family made a point of wiping him out in history (destroying his letters, never mentioning him) because he had the bad luck to be accused of frequenting a male brothel by a man who only played the, "if you arrest me I'll name names" card, and likely barely knew Eddy personally at all. (It worked btw, the guy -- some noble, I forget who -- was never charged, even though he was paying off little boys to do him.)

We'll never know what Eddy would have done, but if he had saved the Romanovs, we could be living in a different world right now.

[(Anonymous)]

His own tutor complained of his laziness and lack of progress, but okay.

"We'll never know what Eddy would have done, but if he had saved the Romanovs, we could be living in a different world right now."

This is pointless speculation. Prince Eddy could've also found the cure for cancer, just like everyone who dies before their time has limitless potential... only not really. Not if you look at things realistically. Do you have an actual reason for why Eddy would've acted against the advice of his government to "save the Romanovs", or are you simply romanticizing a historical figure who died and is therefore a blank slate for a whole host of groundless "what ifs" and "maybes"? So far, I see no reason (even if the testimony of his tutor was "baseless slander") to think that he would've acted with integrity above and beyond anyone else in the royal family at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

His tutor is hardly a reliable source, the man was well known to be extremely strict, overly critical, and humorless. He said much the same about George.

[tabaqui]

I don't have a dog in this fight but - 'lack of progress' and 'laziness' don't = unintelligent. They could mean he had ADHD, dyslexia, or a piss-poor tutor.

[(Anonymous)]

But seriously, I get you were moved by that documentary and all, and I agree Prince Eddy doesn't deserve ALL of his poor reputation, but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he would've saved the Romanovs. Come on. That kind of speculation is about as useful as saying, "If Batman were real, he would've been much more likely to take the risk and save the Russian royals and our world would've been sooooo much different now".

Pure speculation, anon. Interesting speculation, but let's not pretend it's anything more than daydreaming, eh?

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're oversimplifying the political consequences that would have had for the rest of Europe. Not to mention that Europe was still in a mess after WWI. Britain had just lost millions of young men in that conflict, they sure as hell couldn't have afforded more losses in a war with Russia.

Yes, it was a tragedy. No, you can't just lay the blame at other people's feet.

[(Anonymous)]

Earlier on, before the royal family was taken away, the new Russian government was in fact open to releasing the royal family (it would have been a lot better for their PR than shooting them in the middle of the night). No one wanted to take them.

[(Anonymous)]

Apologies, I didn't know that. That's pretty fucked up. I wonder what their reasoning was? Fear of inciting similar revolutions in their own countries? Hmm.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, tbf, taking in the Romanovs would be a risky endeavor because the country that harbored them might get into political troubles if the family was demanded back by say, the Bolsheviks (the government that was in power for a short time before the Bolsheviks took over were waaaay less crazy). The family would be targeted for assassination, and Russia has always wielded a lot of political might due to its many natural resources.

However I do think the UK was strong enough to say, "No, you can't have them back, they're family" without inciting a war (as opposed to saying "we can't let you spill Royal Blood" or something like that). Russia had a lot of other shit to deal with themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

David Lloyd George offered the Romanovs asylum in Britain, but George V wouldn't allow it. He was very wet and self protective, compared to his Russian and German cousins, his approach started the modern way of being a monarch, where his cousins were absolute rulers as it were.

[(Anonymous)]

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I didn't know that either, but I don't get it. Why would they have released the royal family? That doesn't seem to make sense, considering they were trying to overthrow them. I'm no Russian historian, I just can't understand how it could've ended any other way than them being murdered, or rescued/escaped. The daughters POSSIBLY since they couldn't inherit the throne, but they still represent the monarchy too directly. Not that I'm saying you're lying, I'm only confused.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that history had shown that releasing deposed monarchs often ended with them or their descendants actively seeking to reclaim the throne and reignite war. Its only in our modern age that monarchs have willingly surrendered power and accepted being deposed, and that is mainly because of what happened to Nicholas and his family. They'd be a focus for counter-revolutionaries of all kinds.

[othellia]

Eh, Iran's imperial family got out okay when they were overthrown in the 1970s. I think most of them live here in the US now.

[(Anonymous)]

Because there was a real and justifiable fear, that with so many young men being slaughtered pointlessly in war, that offering sanctuary to one of the Royal families who sparked the whole thing off might just be the match necessary to light Britain's own revolution. It was more possible than we would believe, looking back from our post-cold war perspective. No point offering them shelter to see a British version of Lenin rising to power, and just repeating the same event. Sad as it is to say, but by the time it reached revolution point it was far too late for anyone else to intervene.

[misty_anon]

I'm not sure they would have let them go. The day after Tsar Nicholas II and his family were killed, the ones in charge also murdered more members of the Royal family by throwing them down a mine then chucking grenades down.

http://www.unofficialroyalty.com/july-18-daily-featured-date/

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but by this time we're talking about Bolsheviks, and those bastards were bloodthirsty lunatics. Plus, the White Army was advancing and making a clear threat to reestablish the throne.

[ceebeegee]

Quick nitpick: Eddy was George V's older brother, not George IV's. His father was Edward VII.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, sorry about that. I suck at Roman Numerals.

[(Anonymous)]

Nicholas wasn't related to Queen Victoria, at least not nearly as closely as Alix (who was her granddaughter).

[ceebeegee]

He *was* closely related to the BRF though, he was first cousins with George V through their mothers. In fact Nicky and George resembled each other very closely, VERY closely, they look like twins.



Nicky is on the left, I believe.

[(Anonymous)]

Both of them also closely resembled the Keiser, didn't they? I seem to recall a photograph where I couldn't tell the difference.

It has always struck me, history takes place on a world stage, country against country, but for this particular time period, it was family against family. George's cousin is Czar of Russia, another cousin is Keiser of Germany. I always wondered what they must have thought of that, privately.

[(Anonymous)]

Some fairly large and insupportable assumptions about Prince Eddy there.