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I read RPF but even I see why people dislike it. For one, some people can't tell fact from fiction nor do they understand to keep their fiction away from the actual people.

Also RPF and biopics are very different. One isn't made up stories of Johnny Depp fucking Kate Winslet while Bob Dylan watches.

Edited 2014-12-15 23:55 (UTC)

Well, it will be more like that if my crossover sequel project for Ray and Walk The Line ever gets off the ground

...I now want to read about that.

Does it make a difference that some biopics and similar projects purport to be accurate depictions of the person's life but may or may not be, kind of like The Social Network, and that RPF doesn't?

I want to read fic of that now.

Yeah I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to make a porn movie about Johnny Cash, there'd be an issue. It's like you've read no RPS, otherwise how could you possibly have missed all the porn

It's like MLP, writing MLP stories is cool, writing MLP porn then sharing it around is never going to be mainstream no matter how hard you cry

I'd make two points here:

1) Walk The Line was based on Cash's autobiographies and I'm fairly sure that his estate was involved in at least some way. I would assume the same was true for Jett and Dylan. You do get biopics that are unauthorized occasionally (they did something with Aaliyah recently IIRC) but... those tend to be pretty controversial as well so I'm not sure that works in your favor.

2) Finding Neverland was about somebody who had been dead for decades.

So I think from those two points, we can draw some rough outlines for working out when making fiction about real people is and isn't acceptable. Namely, it's worse when they are alive or when people who knew them and loved them are alive, when their being as human beings still exists for us, and it's worse when it's done without their consent or at least the knowledge and influence of those who knew them well and loved them.

The fact that a lot of time passed for various biopics isn't, you know, irrelevant, is the problem with your argument.

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a_potato - 2014-12-16 01:03 (UTC) - Expand

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a_potato - 2014-12-17 00:42 (UTC) - Expand

Have you ever even read RPF? You seem to have no idea what it really is; porn about real people is absolutely not the same as a biographic film.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-12-16 01:39 (UTC) - Expand

I like RPF, but even I feel this argument is deeply flawed for the reasons listed above.

The difference is porn. While I still don't mind RPF because it's not really the actual people you're writing about, it's all about the porn.

I don't have a problem with RPF in principle, but it can get creepy really, really fast, especially when you start bringing in people's non-celebrity relations (especially their kids).

My general policy is that writing about a person's public persona is different than writing about their private face. That's important to remember. But with that in mind, it can be done without being horribly invasive.

RPF isn't my cup of tea, and it feels creepy to me, but I also don't see what the big deal is. I mean as long as no one is shoving it in the celebrities faces, or something.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-12-16 05:32 (UTC) - Expand

It's not inherently creepy, but man the way it's done often is.

Also it's really often smut and I find that a bit different, especially with fans who actually send it to them (cringe).

And then there's the super-creepy phenomenon of people thinking a celeb's real-life partner stands in the way of their ship, bashes them or makes crackpot theories about them.

*shrug* Hostorical fic doesn't bother me because the people in it are dead.

I'm not exactly crazy about historical RPF, at least the OOC smut kind you see on AO3. It's still creepy, and the principals aren't even alive to sue you.

The problem is that the RPF/RPS fandom is often fucking insane.

If RPS was like This Is The End--an obvious joke not to be taken seriously--it wouldn't be a problem. Nobody sane would be angry about your fic where Anthony Bourdain discovers the power of love while on a road trip with Guy Fieri. The issue is that the RPS people decide to declare that Bourdain and Fieri are really gay, you guys! THEIR RELATIONSHIPS ARE SHAMS and it gets really weird.

Look at One Direction fandom.

Nobody sane is angry about RPF about historical figures because they're dead, man. They're dead and my fanfic about Custer and Grant's forbidden love is going to get published (Custer is a brash but blushy uke)

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litalex - 2014-12-16 18:45 (UTC) - Expand

As a hater of RPF, I also avoid biopics where the subject is still alive, and also I don't buy magazines that have celebrity pap photos (which I think are much, much worse than RPF because they impact directly on the celebrities' lives).

Yes, there are people who find biopics creepy. I especially hate their mixture of fact and fiction, with no proper line drawn between them.

So your argument isn't really valid.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-12-16 01:24 (UTC) - Expand

Nice try, RPF super fan. /ostracizes

That's really not the same thing. I once followed a girl on tumblr who shipped Nikolaj Coster Waldau and Lena Headey in real life.
It seemed harmless at first, but then she began hating on Nikolaj's wife and Pedro Pascal and it became increasingly uncomfortable to read. These actors are not only real people, but also complete strangers to you. Making posts about how much you want this actor to leave his real life wife and family just so you can get off on it is, in my opinion, going too far.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-12-17 10:25 (UTC) - Expand

There's degrees to it though, like I don't mind people who ship X famous person/Y famous person because they think it's fun, but when people insist that two celebrities really are together or their rl relationships are a sham to cover up their secret love affair, that starts to weird me out.

Edited 2014-12-16 02:30 (UTC)

Since it's based on and around events that happened less than ten years before its release and there's a fair amount of fanfic.

I like RPF and don't have any objections to it in and of itself, but you have to admit that some fans are very creepy about it. Now, there always seem to be fans in every fandom, whether it involves fictional characters or real people, that don't understand or just don't respect boundaries, but you can see how that would be worse in the case of real people that can get harassed, insulted, threatened, etc. And some people just get creeped out at the thought of the public speculation about the private life of an actual person.

Re: The Social Network might be a better example to use.

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Re: The Social Network might be a better example to use.

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Re: The Social Network might be a better example to use.

(Anonymous) - 2014-12-16 22:55 (UTC) - Expand

I don't have a problem with real person fic either, because the key word here IS fiction.

it's not...inherently creepy or wrong? but it ends up being so a lot of the time. i used to read LOTR RPS once upon a time and it seemed harmless, and then fans started telling the actors about it. now RPS makes my skin crawl. it's like, if you were having a fantasy about some celebrity you thought was hot, there'd be nothing wrong with it. but if you told said celebrity about it and they were really uncomfortable and you just kept at it, asking what they thought about it and giggling like it was some kind of joke, that'd be hella wrong and gross. and sexual harassment might i add. so, yeah, RPS is fine but KEEP IT SECRET KEEP IT SAFE.

I dislike it, although I don't have a problem with anyone reading it. It comes down to preferences as much as anything, and the attitude of 'ooh that is gross' reads of kink shaming to me. and I have a huge problem with that.

but I think there isn't anything wrong with not liking it. It just comes down to preferences

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