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Yeah, I get the feeling that a lot of people on tumblr either didn't pay attention in history class, willfully ignore certain things, or were just given a really shitty overview in school. I think a lot of tumblrites would be pretty surprised by the fact that slavery existed in Africa long before white people got involved in the slave trade. True, it was typically a "nicer" form of slavery than it was in America but slavery is still slavery no matter which way you slice it

If they went to school in America, it was probably the shitty education. Even "World" history is less "history of cultures and civilizations around the world" and more "history of cultures and civilizations around the world after Europe got to them". I got lucky and got some professors in college who were a little less Euro-centric, but even they were the exception rather than the rule.

That's kind of a real shitty argument

Argument for what and why? This isn't tumblr you can't just say problematic and walk away.

The idea that the African slave trade is particularly relevant to a discussion of the Atlantic slave trade and slavery in the Americas. Even if you're not using it to imply that the Africans were complicit in and therefore 'deserved' slavery in the Americas, it's still as irrelevant as talking about ancient Greek slavery. And no, the fact that many people might not be aware that slavery was widespread in ancient Greece doesn't make it relevant either.

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The post is partially about people being ignorant to the fact that not all violence in Africa was caused by Europeans so it seems relevant to mention that non-white people enslaved each other, which is something that a lot of people don't know or ignore because it doesn't fit into their Euro and American centric notions about slavery

The premise of this thread was not that the existence of other forms of slavery somehow diminished the gravity of the Atlantic slave trade. It was that it's sad and ridiculous that people aren't taught that other forms even existed. And to me it's really sad and frustrating because not all of those traditions have actually ended, and people aren't taught that slavery is still going on in the modern world.

Considering that a good chunk of Tumblr users think they know better than everyone else, their peers, their teachers, their parents, and everyone else on Tumblr?

Not really.

I'm not saying that the fact slavery existed in many parts of Africa (and, well, most other places in some form or fashion at some point) makes the European slave trade any better, I just think it's dumb that some people on tumblr like to imagine that Africa was this weirdly idyllic and peaceful place with no strife or enslavement until the Europeans got their hands on it. They had as much violence and shittiness going on as anyone else did

Sure, I guess. It's just, like I said above, really pretty irrelevant to the Atlantic slave trade.

Yeah but NO ONE SAID THAT.

the original post wasn't about the Atlantic slave trade, it was just about ignorant SJWs who don't have a good grasp of African history

But...the discussion isn't about the Atlantic slave trade. It's about pre-colonial history.

It's just as dumb as the idea that Africa is a cultural, political, and geographical monolith, just along a different line of thought. :/

People really do sort of set Africa aside in their minds. I think to many it's just a vague entity that we took slaves from and that's still super backwards* today. Plus jungles, and lions. But it's a continent with many countries, many governments, many people, many things both wonderful and terrible, and a history of its own.

*parts of it are of course, and parts of it are really modern, and there's everything in between.

Edited 2015-01-13 04:15 (UTC)

also the last country in the world to abolish slavery was African (Mauritiana). this happened less than forty years ago. And a lot of modern-day slavery occurs in Africa (also in Asia, I think). The ban hasn't stopped Mauritians from keeping slaves, for example.

Just last week, I read about slave farms in South Korea. Was really surprised and horrified that it's still going on so blatantly in parts of the world.

It's mind-blowing how pervasive slavery actually is. As a kid I thought slavery was officially over since the US and the rest of the Western world had decided it was. History classes were way more western-centric than I ever realized as a kid, and they NEVER talked about modern slavery in any kind of history or social studies class. I didn't learn about that stuff until I was in college. And that's really sad. (AND I graduated from a high school that's really good by high school standards.)

I get that there's limited time but in hindsight I wish they'd talked more about REALLY IMPORTANT SHIT that's still happening and less about the names and dates of stuff that isn't as relevant that were studied five times in five different years. Yes, it's important to understand that the Spanish and Portuguese people conquered South America and subjugated/partially eradicated the indigenous people (the latter part was also not talked about a whole lot compared to the Cool European Conquistadores, iirc) but I don't really care about the names and birth dates and favorite thing to eat for dinner of all of them.

And slavery is real, both straight-up chattel slavery and other institutions that are really slavery in disguise, some of which strongly resembles chattel slavery in practice and some of which is different on the surface. The sex trade is a big part of this too.

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