[ SECRET POST #2939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2939 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr is pants of head retarded. If they want to blame an anime for stealing the genre it should be Madoka for fetishizing the emotional turmoil of 14 year old girls for men.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Madoka, but it was pretty offensive: women can't do anything or can't have a real impact in the history of humanity without space cats giving then magical powers. The message of Madoka is that a women can't change the world by themselves but only with the help of a space alien.
It's terrible message. The show dismissed all the strong women of world accompaniments, saying that they need someone else to succeed: Joan of Arc, Anne Frank, etc. Really what is says that non magical girls can't do anything worthwhile.

Magical girl anime is supposed to be about how awesome girls can be. Not this shit.

[(Anonymous)]

But all magical girls get their powers from something else? Madoka didn't invent that. Not to mention it's a classic magical girl cliche for the girls to be useless before they magically get their powers.

Also, you should read some about magical girls from a Japanese perspective. You might rethink your claim that it's "supposed to be about how awesome girls can be."

[feotakahari]

Apart from the gender lines, I'm not sure I get how that's necessarily different from when some video game says historical figures were being controlled by aliens, secret societies, or alien secret societies. I mean, it just picked a few examples, essentially out of a hat--that's not the same as saying something about ALL WOMEN in big massive letters. (Kyubey claims his species is responsible for everything humanity achieved, but it's fucking Kyubey. There are maybe two points in the entire series when he tells the full truth without spinning it to his own benefit.)

[(Anonymous)]

Kyubey claimed that humans would still be living in caves if it weren't for their assistance. Women needed incubators to succeed but women were also the hidden driving force behind all of humanity's achievements. Without incubators, no human could have achieved anything.


The message here isn't that women are useless but perhaps that you shouldn't trust the word of a manipulative space alien who specializes in cultivating and harvesting despair?

[iggy]

This. Humanity wasn't able to move forward without incubators period; not men, not women. But it's women that used their power to propel society forward, not men.

Madoka Magica isn't any more sexist than other magical girl anime, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

It was more offensive in that in came from a man who wanted to punish girls for wanting things.

[iggy]

Are we still taking Urobuchi's words totally out of context?

[dahli]

So basically Madoka is the History Channel of anime.

[iggy]

This isn't the message of the show at all.

Magical girl anime is supposed to be about how awesome girls can be.

No it's about enforcing gender norms for young girls by showing all the powerful girls as frilly, feminine, romantic etc. (even the tomboyish ones get femme-ized when they transform). You're applying western ideals to magical girl anime. I love magical girl anime, but it's viewed as sexist among a lot of Japanese feminists.

[iggy]

Are you kidding me? Seinen magical girl anime have been the du jour since long before Madoka. If you want to blame an anime for making that explode, blame maybe Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, where incidentally the girls are MUCH younger.

Anyway, most of the people I've seen condemning this show are the same people who think you've got shit taste if you like Madoka because the only magical girl shows that should exist are the ones written for girls (ignoring the fact that many Japanese feminists think they are really problematic and need to be curbed as well because they give the message that the only way for a a girl in Japan to have power is to stick to feminine gender norms; aka weaponized femininity doesn't have the value in Japan that it does in the west).

[(Anonymous)]

Nanoha is completely irrelevant. Madoka on the other hand popularized grim-dark magical girls.

[sporkly]

Hardly, there's been barely any grimdark magical girl anime since.

If anything Nanoha popularized magical girl aimed adult men, but plain old regular fairs better overall because it primarily targets young girls and also has a periphery demo of adult men.

[iggy]

Not at all. Multiple series have tried to be the next Madoka, but only Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru has been remotely successful (other shows like Daybreak Illusion and Selector Infected Wixoss have pretty much bombed in sales). So PMMM didn't popularize grimdark magical shows, it's just a dark magical show that happens to be popular.

Nanoha is not at all irrelevant. You mentioned PMMM 'stealing the genre from girls', and Nanoha was doing that years before PMMM came around with its explosive popularity (also; fanservice, which PMMM didn't have). Nanoha is a huge franchise that is STILL around. It changed the landscape of magical girl shows, and if any one series is to blame, it's it.