[ SECRET POST #2976 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2976 ⌋

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[NCIS: Los Angeles/Hawaii Five-0]


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[Left Shark (Katy Perry? Super Bowl?) and Bad-Dragon .com]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

For those who don't care, we aren't trying to be edgy -- we just literally DON'T CARE. I'm not saying that to prove that I'm "above it all" or some bullshit. Just that I do not care if a particular show/book/movie has representation. I like a lot of stuff and I'm good at finding diverse fandoms so I'm not going to stop watching an all white or all male show just because it's not diverse.

I have plenty of shows/movies/books/video games that I've found and loved that are diverse so I'm not going to miss out on a great show just because it's all white people.

Would I love it if it was diverse? YES. But I don't care enough to stop watching or enjoying it.

[(Anonymous)]

So you don't care. Why go on and on about it?

(I guess you're trying to make it seem like you need to tell everyone you don't care "enough to stop watching it" like someone is telling you to stop watching things without diverse casts. I doubt anyone is)

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

why do people who do care go on and on about it

people like to talk about things they like and why they like them, i guess

[(Anonymous)]

I...don't go on and on about it?

I know yesterday someone asked this same question in the general comments and I mentioned that I was fine with shows lacking diversity.

I was told "good for you that you're being catered to." Which...okay? I just answered the question. I didn't know that not agreeing with the OP apparently meant I'm "catered to."

It's just that someone asked about it and I answered -- don't really see how that's going "on and on" about it.

[(Anonymous)]

You're being catered to because you're allowed to exist despite being a gay retarded porch-monkey dog fucker who go so fat sitting around sucking dog dicks all day that now you can't do anything but stay in your room and make retarded comments on the internet and probably pee on the floor because you're too fat to even able to get up and walk out of the room.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more the fact you feel the need to tell people you don't care. If you truely don't care about casting decisions, why do you feel the need to make such a big deal over people who do? Wouldn't you still watch the show, because you don't care and just want a good story?

But instead you comment about how you don't care about diversity. You're being the bystander effect, then stepping forward and announcing how you're just an unhelpful bystander.

By all means don't care, but your need to comment about how you don't care will never reflect well on you.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I have never heard anyone go "I DONT CARE IF MY CAST IS ALL WHITE" completely on their own. It's always in response to someone bringing up diversity or saying that a show is problematic with the implication that people shouldn't like it

[(Anonymous)]

"I like a lot of stuff and I'm good at finding diverse fandoms so I'm not going to stop watching an all white or all male show just because it's not diverse."

/looks around in confusion

Did... did anyone say you should stop watching all white or all male shows because they're not diverse? I don't see anyone saying that. I guess you can feel brave for boldly doing something soooo risky even though literally nobody is telling you that you can't?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Although no one here is saying that, I feel compelled to point out that there are people who say things like that. The idea didn't come out of the clear blue sky,

Also, this thread is silly, because it's going to be basically the exact same as the thread from yesterday (I'm pretty sure that the other anon besides me who is talking about not caring about diversity was also the other anon besides me talking about it yesterday) and I'm already recapitulating a post from that thread. Just kind of silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, sure. But it looks when when you volunteer a counter argument against imaginary opponents who aren't actually here.

[dancing_clown]

There was someone last week who was basically saying"no matter how much you like something, if it perpetuates something you dislike, you have an obligation to not give it your time/money."

But that lone person aside, it's not a giant leap in logic to extrapolate all the shade thrown from certain circles at shows that aren't diverse but dare to exist to the people who like said shows.

[(Anonymous)]

"Did... did anyone say you should stop watching all white or all male shows because they're not diverse? "

AYRT

No, but my point was that the reason that all white or all male shows don't bother me is because I'm good at finding diverse shows to like too. So my fandoms aren't ALL WHITE/MALE all the time and thus when a show appears that does lack diversity, I can easily invest in it because I'm not lacking in diversity in my other fandoms.

I don't "feel brave" or anything. Just that when people talk about diversity it sounds to me like this:

"I'm sick of vanilla ice cream!"

"I don't mind it. I LOVE any ice cream and really like vanilla. I get that it can be boring for some people, but I've found lots of restaurants that serve all sorts of flavors -- chocolate, raspberry, caramel swirl, etc. -- so I don't really mind if a lot of the local ice cream shops are only serving vanilla because I'm pretty good at hunting down the less popular flavors. And...I STILL LOVE vanilla ice cream, so I won't say no to a bowl of that deliciousness!"

It's not about "being brave" its' that I STILL LOVE THE FUCK OUT OF VANILLA and I can get other flavors pretty easily so it doesn't bother me that vanilla is marketed so much and so readily available.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. Except that in this thread right here, nobody has castigated you for liking vanilla. Someone has said, "I like lots of flavors of ice cream besides vanilla" and you've come back with "OMG I'M NOT GOING TO STOP EATING VANILLA ICE CREAM BECAUSE I LIKE IT A LOT". And then someone says, "Okay? I didn't say you had to stop eating vanilla though?" and then YOU say "I JUST LIKE VANILLA EVEN THOUGH I LIKE OTHER FLAVORS TOO IT'S JUST THAT VANILLA IS FINE WITH ME".

Literally nobody here has told you to quit watching what you like to watch. Nobody. So the fact that you need to argue anyway sounds pretty defensive.

[sarillia]

Honestly I'd think you were being weirdly defensive about vanilla ice cream if a conversation went down this way, which is fitting I guess since I think people get more defensive than they need to about not caring about diversity (you can wait to prove that you're not doing anything wrong until someone actually accuses you of that). But I love vanilla too.

[dancing_clown]

This, pretty much.

[kallanda_lee]

This, I guess. I understand why some people care very much, but to me identification has never really been about gender or race.

I mean, if I was playing a video game with your average while male protagonist, I WAS that dude in-game, it was just roleplay for me.

And most characters aren't realistically going to resemble me anyway...identification to me comes mostly from vaguely similr traits, characters of backstories.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the same way. I honestly don't understand why some people need characters to be just like them in order to identify with them. I mean, I'm a woman, but there are loads of female characters out there that I can't identify with at all. Like you said, it's all about things like personality traits or backstories for me, because gender and race are such broad categories that chances are I'm not going to see a lot of myself in a character just because they happen to be in that same category as me.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't understand that other peoples' needs may be different than yours? Surely you don't mean that. I don't feel the need to have children, but I'd be a clueless jerk if I went around questioning why other people wanted to have them just because *I* was fine without them.

[anonymous4]

This. I'm white British but my 11 year old self totally identified with Uhura in TOS, because she was a woman on the bridge of the Enterprise.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I don't get the identification thing. But representation is important for me in terms of worldbuilding. New Who is a welcoming universe because we have Shakespeare, Skye Silvestre, and the married car-spotters. Elementary is a welcoming universe because we've had multiple LGBT characters who were treated just like every other character on the show. I don't identify with any of those characters, but having them in there is a sign that the writers have actually thought about the issue of sexual and gender diversity within those worlds.

As opposed to J.R.R. Tolkien, where most of the sexual relationships are variations on the theme of an idealized Catholic sexuality. At the other end of the spectrum, I find myself weirdly ambivalent about the everyone-is-bisexual politics of Ian Banks' Culture, although that might be a limitation of the two books I've read.

[kallanda_lee]

The only thing I read b Ian Banks was the Wasp factory (which I won't spoil here for people who haven't read it), but now I'm actually sort of curious.

I get what you mean with identification and I DO understand the welcoming part...I guess I might also be lucky in the genres I like, which is a lot of fantasy a sci-fi, where I guess it's so removed from the real world to me, I just care less.

In shows that are more "realistic", I can see it being a bigger problem. The who married-with-children-fest in Bones for example, ultimately turned me of the show because one relationship type was heavily over-represented and took a lot of screen time.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. And this is really what bugs me about the whole representation thing. It seems to assume that everyone identifies solely or primarily with their gender, race, or sexual orientation/identity. I don't. I identify more with past shared experiences and social class.

It drives me nuts when people trot out Girls, Sex & the City, and other shows featuring well-off urban women, usually in Manhattan or L.A., as proof of representation of women on TV. As a working-class gal in the suburban South, I couldn't identify less with these women. And as someone who doesn't want kids, all the mothers on TV don't help me, either. But somehow because they have boobs and I have boobs, I'm supposed to feel represented. Yeah, no. Most shows I watch have guys as the main characters and I relate to them more. Gender doesn't matter. I'll take Sam & Dean over Carrie & Samantha any day of the week.

[making_excuses]

I am the same way, but the reason I want representation is so I can point at this character and say: Look it is a bisexual character that isn't defined by her sexuality, nor does she end up cheating on her partners or is oversexualized or my personal favourite: Crazy serial killer.

It would be nice to have people who aren't white, male/female and straight covering most of the characters we see in media, but on a personal level I don't care. I identify with traits over looks or sexuality*, but it is important to have people who look like you and have the same history as you on television. Also on a higher level, what you see on television in particular is how you form an image on how the world is, which means that if there are mostly white men in their thirties there you learn that, that is how the world is supposed to be.

And as a foster child I know how much media has fucked up the perception of that group of people, so watching Leverage and seeing Parker and Alec both having grown up in the system and ending up not evil (but criminals). Seeing people with fucked up parents in Shameless going on to study at a University and managing, it is all nice, because *my* story gets told too, and even if personaly I might not need it, people needs to see it, other people who share my history might benefit from seeing their experiences mirrored on a television show or in a film.

*It also helps to have a mindset of bisexual until proven otherwise.

also sorry I kinda went on a rant there, but I am late commenting and I always like hearing your take on subjects.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I enjoyed The Walking Dead videogame just as much as I enjoyed The Last of Us. Race and gender of the characters have literally zero impact on how much I enjoy something, so putting more diversity into things isn't going to make me like them more because that has nothing to do with what interests me in canons in the first place.

[sarillia]

I'd just like to see people stop claiming it's an unpopular opinion even around here.