[ SECRET POST #2976 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2976 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Homestuck]


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[NCIS: Los Angeles/Hawaii Five-0]


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[Left Shark (Katy Perry? Super Bowl?) and Bad-Dragon .com]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"I like a lot of stuff and I'm good at finding diverse fandoms so I'm not going to stop watching an all white or all male show just because it's not diverse."

/looks around in confusion

Did... did anyone say you should stop watching all white or all male shows because they're not diverse? I don't see anyone saying that. I guess you can feel brave for boldly doing something soooo risky even though literally nobody is telling you that you can't?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Although no one here is saying that, I feel compelled to point out that there are people who say things like that. The idea didn't come out of the clear blue sky,

Also, this thread is silly, because it's going to be basically the exact same as the thread from yesterday (I'm pretty sure that the other anon besides me who is talking about not caring about diversity was also the other anon besides me talking about it yesterday) and I'm already recapitulating a post from that thread. Just kind of silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, sure. But it looks when when you volunteer a counter argument against imaginary opponents who aren't actually here.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a fair point. I just think that's where it comes from, and I understand it even if it's an irrational reaction

OH GOD WHAT'S GOING ON, THIS SENSE OF DEJA VU IS OVERWHELMING

[dancing_clown]

There was someone last week who was basically saying"no matter how much you like something, if it perpetuates something you dislike, you have an obligation to not give it your time/money."

But that lone person aside, it's not a giant leap in logic to extrapolate all the shade thrown from certain circles at shows that aren't diverse but dare to exist to the people who like said shows.

[(Anonymous)]

"Did... did anyone say you should stop watching all white or all male shows because they're not diverse? "

AYRT

No, but my point was that the reason that all white or all male shows don't bother me is because I'm good at finding diverse shows to like too. So my fandoms aren't ALL WHITE/MALE all the time and thus when a show appears that does lack diversity, I can easily invest in it because I'm not lacking in diversity in my other fandoms.

I don't "feel brave" or anything. Just that when people talk about diversity it sounds to me like this:

"I'm sick of vanilla ice cream!"

"I don't mind it. I LOVE any ice cream and really like vanilla. I get that it can be boring for some people, but I've found lots of restaurants that serve all sorts of flavors -- chocolate, raspberry, caramel swirl, etc. -- so I don't really mind if a lot of the local ice cream shops are only serving vanilla because I'm pretty good at hunting down the less popular flavors. And...I STILL LOVE vanilla ice cream, so I won't say no to a bowl of that deliciousness!"

It's not about "being brave" its' that I STILL LOVE THE FUCK OUT OF VANILLA and I can get other flavors pretty easily so it doesn't bother me that vanilla is marketed so much and so readily available.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. Except that in this thread right here, nobody has castigated you for liking vanilla. Someone has said, "I like lots of flavors of ice cream besides vanilla" and you've come back with "OMG I'M NOT GOING TO STOP EATING VANILLA ICE CREAM BECAUSE I LIKE IT A LOT". And then someone says, "Okay? I didn't say you had to stop eating vanilla though?" and then YOU say "I JUST LIKE VANILLA EVEN THOUGH I LIKE OTHER FLAVORS TOO IT'S JUST THAT VANILLA IS FINE WITH ME".

Literally nobody here has told you to quit watching what you like to watch. Nobody. So the fact that you need to argue anyway sounds pretty defensive.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Nobody in this thread has, but dancing_clown is right, and it's been said before. So stop acting like we're just making shit up.

[(Anonymous)]

But you see, nobody's saying you made it up. They're merely saying that you're responding to accusations that haven't been made in this conversation, which makes you sound oddly defensive.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you're just being overly argumentative and looking for reasons to nitpick at that anon for daring to bring it up.

Yes, you're right, we should have allllllllll assumed that the past is buried and the cookies are deleted and nobody remembers what happened yesterday.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, man, the secret itself is kind of a giant accusation.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, this is what OP wrote:

""I don't care about representation, I just want a good story with well written characters" like they're being super edgy/original saying this out loud."

I replied that people who say they don't care just DON'T CARE. We're not trying to be super edgy or original. We just do not care.

If you pose the question -- like the person in the general comments section did yesterday -- about being sick of all white/all male media and someone says that it doesn't bother them, they AREN'T doing it to say "screw you" or to try to be HARDCORE XTREME EDGY YOU GUYZ. They just don't care.

If you're saying you're sick of vanilla, that's fine. All *I* am saying is that I like vanilla just fine because I've had lots of success tracking down other flavors.

There's no need to say "good for you that you're being catered to" just because I don't share your opinion. Or to imply that I'm only saying I don't care to be edgy.

[sarillia]

Honestly I'd think you were being weirdly defensive about vanilla ice cream if a conversation went down this way, which is fitting I guess since I think people get more defensive than they need to about not caring about diversity (you can wait to prove that you're not doing anything wrong until someone actually accuses you of that). But I love vanilla too.

[(Anonymous)]

Because very often, in my experience, saying that a particular show not being diverse doesn't bother you gets you called a racist.

Which kind of grinds my gears because -- me -- I'm a Middle-Eastern woman. I don't get much representation at all. Would I like some? Sure. But if I limited myself to things with only Middle-Eastern women, then I'd have a pretty damn short list of media to explore.

And getting told I'm racist or that I "clearly don't understand" by people who get ten times the representation I do is frustrating.

So I'd rather just head it off by saying that, while I understand that someone else might not be into a show because it's too white, it's not a big deal for me because I'm good at tracking down shows with great representation, so I'm not about to turn one down that has great writing just because it's not diverse.

[sarillia]

I think this is just one of those cases where you can't win since there's always going to be people reading it negatively. Some people will make that assumption if you don't head them off that way, but then others are more bothered by preemptive defenses like that.

You have my sympathies on the way people tell you that you don't understand. I would never presume to tell anyone what they do or don't understand because you never know who they are and what they've gone through, and I hate when people do that.